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Old 05-14-2013, 12:30 PM  
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Old 09-05-2013, 12:23 PM   #1216
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How do we switch a player's position?

I re-signed Reggie Nelson with the understanding that he played FS, which would pair well with Polamalu at SS. The Bengals have been playing him at FS the past 2 seasons, but he's on my team as a SS. If I can't switch him, the 5-year deal I gave him is kind of crap.

That's just one such example. There are a few others I want to do that also make logical sense (moving Lance Briggs to MLB instead of keeping him at the logjam of all those weakside LBs I have)
You don't switch his position formally. You just put him in the lineup in a different place.

You can't move everybody willy-nilly (e.g., CB to NT or QB to G) but you can line people up in other positions that are reasonable moves.
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Old 09-05-2013, 12:38 PM   #1217
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You don't switch his position formally. You just put him in the lineup in a different place.

You can't move everybody willy-nilly (e.g., CB to NT or QB to G) but you can line people up in other positions that are reasonable moves.
Does that mean I can logically line up an aging CB at FS?
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Old 09-05-2013, 12:41 PM   #1218
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Does that mean I can logically line up an aging CB at FS?
Sure. Just recognize that he's better when he plays CB than when you move him, but if he's good he can move and still be good.
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Old 09-05-2013, 01:19 PM   #1219
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Sure. Just recognize that he's better when he plays CB than when you move him, but if he's good he can move and still be good.
That's the thing, though. Reggie Nelson came into the league as a SS, but hasn't played the position ever since he got traded to the Bengals.

He's an ESTABLISHED FS, and will make his career out of being a FS most likely. He's already done so for the past two seasons.

In Sandbox, however, he's still a SS. Will I still suffer the "penalty" of having him play FS when he's listed as something different?
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That's the thing, though. Reggie Nelson came into the league as a SS, but hasn't played the position ever since he got traded to the Bengals.

He's an ESTABLISHED FS, and will make his career out of being a FS most likely. He's already done so for the past two seasons.

In Sandbox, however, he's still a SS. Will I still suffer the "penalty" of having him play FS when he's listed as something different?
Nelson played mostly SS in 2012 with the Bengals with Crocker as their starter at FS.

That's why his 2012 listing was at SS. His 2013 listing will likely be at SS as I believe he's been moved back to SS with Crocker being released.

The positions are set based on where the player played most in 2012. Robert Turner started the season at G and ended the season at G but in the middle played at C due to injury. He had more starts/snaps at C (even if he was intended to play G) and as such, was listed as a C this season.

Remember, there's a fantasy element to this as well - your 2013 Sandbox season will depend in very large part on the performance of those individual players - including where they played - in the 2013 NFL season.
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Ah, see, that explains it a bit better.

From what I've heard and seen (on the depth chart), the Bengals are starting Iloka at SS and Nelson at FS this year, so it would benefit me to play him at FS because the Bengals are doing it.

Problem solved.
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Old 09-05-2013, 03:24 PM   #1223
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Ah, see, that explains it a bit better.

From what I've heard and seen (on the depth chart), the Bengals are starting Iloka at SS and Nelson at FS this year, so it would benefit me to play him at FS because the Bengals are doing it.

Problem solved.
Indeed. More accurately, it would benefit you to plan on playing him at FS and getting another SS. The season isn't actually simulated until after the NFL season runs, so you won't have to worry about actually playing him anywhere until March(ish). At that time, if he actually did play FS all year and you've snapped up a SS in the draft or FA, you're golden. Meanwhile, if the Bengals switched gears and played him at SS, well your plan got shot up a bit.

I've felt it's a little bit of an inversion from the real NFL in that regard.

For instance, where I running a real NFL squad, I think I'd be well served to flip to a 4-3 because the rush to the 3-4 has put guys like 5-techs and true NTs at something of a premium. Standard "zig when others zag" kinda thing...

But in Sandbox, you're best served to have your defense be the same that most NFL teams are running because you'd have the biggest pool of players that can slot into your position slots.

I'm still going to run a 4-3 because I'm stubborn like that, but with so NFL teams running a 3-4 each year, there are a bunch of 3-4 guys available to fit into Sandbox 3-4 defenses because that's how they'll be classified.
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That's the thing, though. Reggie Nelson came into the league as a SS, but hasn't played the position ever since he got traded to the Bengals.

He's an ESTABLISHED FS, and will make his career out of being a FS most likely. He's already done so for the past two seasons.

In Sandbox, however, he's still a SS. Will I still suffer the "penalty" of having him play FS when he's listed as something different?
Yeah. From a practical standpoint we can't go through all of the players and identify that some are better at moving from Position A to Position B than others. So we do it by position instead of player. It's a little tough in some cases such as 3-4 OLBs versus 4-3 DEs, but it's the only way to reasonably do it and keep the cost model aligned. For closely related positions the penalty is going to be smaller than the value a good player provides.
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So do the stats only count if you start them at the position that they actually play?
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So do the stats only count if you start them at the position that they actually play?
Performance is based on their stats from the previous year. If you move them, that performance will degrade a bit depending on the similarities between their stated position and where you use them.

Also, if you draft a guy who had 3 catches all year, but they were for 240 yards and 3 touchdowns, don't expect him to be unstoppable. We have algorithms to account for outlier performances produced by small amounts of play.
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Also, if you draft a guy who had 3 catches all year, but they were for 240 yards and 3 touchdowns, don't expect him to be unstoppable. We have algorithms to account for outlier performances produced by small amounts of play.
Unless we're talking about Alex Smith.

Because if that guys involved, you can have him throw 55 passes and they'll be as effective as the 18 he'd have thrown in real life.

Alex D. Smith defies all sample size issues in Sandbox.
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Unless we're talking about Alex Smith.

Because if that guys involved, you can have him throw 55 passes and they'll be as effective as the 18 he'd have thrown in real life.

Alex D. Smith defies all sample size issues in Sandbox.

With him, the model clearly shows that he's the best quarterback in pro football and merely needs the opportunity to scale up.
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With him, the model clearly shows that he's the best quarterback in pro football and merely needs the opportunity to scale up.
It also suggested that 2012 Darren Sproles would've destroyed all creation had he been given 30 carries a game.

I guess the Saints probably would've realized that had Sean Peyton not been suspended.

I blame Goodell.
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