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Old 05-14-2013, 02:12 PM  
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SLEEPY HOLLOW

What if you suddenly woke up from the throes of death 250 years in the future to find the world is on the brink of destruction, caused by unimaginable events, and you are humanity’s last hope? Welcome to SLEEPY HOLLOW, the thrilling new mystery-adventure drama from co-creators/executive producers Alex Kurtzman and Roberto Orci (“Star Trek” and “Transformers” franchises, “Fringe”). In this modern-day retelling of Washington Irving’s classic, ICHABOD CRANE (Tom Mison, “Salmon Fishing in the Yemen”) is resurrected and pulled two and a half centuries through time to unravel a mystery that dates all the way back to the founding fathers. Revived alongside Ichabod is the infamous Headless Horseman who is on a murderous rampage in present-day Sleepy Hollow. Bound to the Headless Horseman by a blood spell cast on the battlefield of the American Revolution, Ichabod quickly realizes that stopping Headless is just the beginning, as the resurrected rider is but the first of the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse. As this re-invented Ichabod finds himself in present-day Sleepy Hollow, he discovers a town and a world he no longer recognizes. All that is brutally familiar are Headless and Ichabod’s determination to annihilate this immortal being. It’s a mission he must complete quickly, as Headless already has viciously slain Sheriff AUGUST CORBIN (guest star Clancy Brown, “Cowboys & Aliens,” “Carnivale”). Grey served both as mentor and father figure to Detective ABBIE MILLS (Nicole Beharie, “Shame,” “American Violet”), a young cop whose own supernatural experiences help her form an unlikely bond with Ichabod. But Sleepy Hollow’s head of police, Captain FRANK IRVING (Orlando Jones, “The Chicago 8,” “Drumline”), isn’t buying any of this. In fact, the only person who is on Abbie’s side is Ichabod. His extensive first-hand knowledge of our secret American history, coupled with her superior profiling and modern threat assessment skills, will make them a formidable duo as they work together to triumph over evil. The complex pasts of Ichabod and Abbie, from Ichabod’s inclusion in the powerful and secretive Freemasons Society and the ghostly appearance of his late wife, KATRINA (Katia Winter, “Dexter”), to Abbie’s childhood visions, will help them solve the intricate puzzles of Sleepy Hollow in order to protect its future. As history repeats itself, the oddly-linked pair will draw on the real stories and hallowed secrets this nation was founded on in their quest to stop an increasingly vicious cycle of evil. SLEEPY HOLLOW is from K/O Paper Products in association with 20th Century Fox Television. The series is co-created by Alex Kurtzman, Roberto Orci, Phillip Iscove and Len Wiseman (“Hawaii Five-0,” “Underworld” and “Total Recall”). The series is executive-produced by Kurtzman, Orci, Wiseman and Heather Kadin. Iscove serves as supervising producer. Wiseman directed the pilot.

PRODUCTION COMPANIES: 20th Century Fox Television, K/O Paper Products

CO-CREATORS: Alex Kurtzman, Roberto Orci, Phillip Iscove, Len Wiseman

WRITERS: Alex Kurtzman, Roberto Orci

EXECUTIVE PRODUCERS: Alex Kurtzman, Roberto Orci, Len Wiseman, Heather Kadin

SUPERVISING PRODUCER: Phillip Iscove

DIRECTOR: Len Wiseman

CAST: Tom Mison as Ichabod Crane, Nicole Beharie as Abbie Mills, Orlando Jones as Frank Irving, Katia Winter as Katrina Crane
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Old 09-17-2013, 08:08 PM   #76
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Wasn't Kevin Spacey heavily involved with Netflix's House of Cards? Maybe that has experience has something to do with his comments.
When famous actors are listed as "Producer", it's done for revenue sharing, not any "real" production work.
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Old 09-17-2013, 08:09 PM   #77
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When famous actors are listed as "Producer", its due to revenue sharing, not any "real" production work.
I wasn't making any kind of comment about that. I've never seen the show, so I have no idea how he was billed...
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Old 09-17-2013, 08:10 PM   #78
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Maybe it's time to break the paradigm? No one can deny that the cable networks and Netflix are kicking network TV butt when it comes to dramatic TV shows.
That doesn't mean they aren't making pilots.

Often times, when networks pass, premium channels decide to pick them up.

Also, premium channels get a large chunk of revenues from subscribers, so they don't need the HUGE numbers that networks need to stay alive.
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Old 09-17-2013, 08:12 PM   #79
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That's a combined number. But the cost of creating brand new program, from actors to sets to screenwriters, etc., is high.
I know it is combined. It is still beyond ridiculous. I find it ludicrous the money that is spent in Hollywood. I suppose it is a double edged sword in that you have to scratch and claw to make it in that town and once you do, if you aren't stupid with your money, you are set for life.

I really do wish we could do away with pilots. Hell, even LOST didn't give away much in their pilot and it went 5 years. Was that one only truly picked up because Abrams was behind it?

Though I am not really that big into a lot of the cable dramas, I can see why people like them. More original than anything on network TV and not afraid to take risks with the show.
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Old 09-17-2013, 08:17 PM   #80
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Did anyone watch any of the Amazon pilots they threw up a few months back? I guess people voted and they are taking 2 or 3 of them to series.
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Old 09-17-2013, 08:19 PM   #81
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I know it is combined. It is still beyond ridiculous. I find it ludicrous the money that is spent in Hollywood. I suppose it is a double edged sword in that you have to scratch and claw to make it in that town and once you do, if you aren't stupid with your money, you are set for life.

I really do wish we could do away with pilots. Hell, even LOST didn't give away much in their pilot and it went 5 years. Was that one only truly picked up because Abrams was behind it?

Though I am not really that big into a lot of the cable dramas, I can see why people like them. More original than anything on network TV and not afraid to take risks with the show.
Pilots need to be created, regardless of network affiliation. Networks aren't just going to hand over $4-$10 million per week without first seeing the product, how actors relate, the writing, etc.

And I'm not sure why you're surprised at that number. A hit show that makes it to syndication will earn billions.
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Old 09-17-2013, 08:24 PM   #82
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Pilots need to be created, regardless of network affiliation. Networks aren't just going to hand over $4-$10 million per week without first seeing the product, how actors relate, the writing, etc.

And I'm not sure why you're surprised at that number. A hit show that makes it to syndication will earn billions.


Yeah, shit doesn't work without the pilot. It may sound like a winner on paper but doesn't translate on TV.

The only change I can see is instead of showing the pilot as the first episode, they could possibly do like a season 1 overview and act out some scenes and get more of a story going, and then just start with the first episode.
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Pilots need to be created, regardless of network affiliation. Networks aren't just going to hand over $4-$10 million per week without first seeing the product, how actors relate, the writing, etc.

And I'm not sure why you're surprised at that number. A hit show that makes it to syndication will earn billions.
Because we keep seeing good shows get cancelled. I don't know if it is because they are just on the wrong nights, wrong timeslots or what. I'm just sick of getting invested in something to watch it disappear. Another thing, this is more for the writers, don't write a ****ing cliffhanger if you haven't been ****ing renewed for another season. **** that!!!!

I going to watch this show because I know I am going to like it. I have no doubt that Fox is going to abandon it just like they do everything else too.
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Because we keep seeing good shows get cancelled. I don't know if it is because they are just on the wrong nights, wrong timeslots or what. I'm just sick of getting invested in something to watch it disappear. Another thing, this is more for the writers, don't write a ****ing cliffhanger if you haven't been ****ing renewed for another season. **** that!!!!

I going to watch this show because I know I am going to like it. I have no doubt that Fox is going to abandon it just like they do everything else too.
Programs are canceled due to lack of viewership. Networks can't afford to air shows that don't earn a profit or that lose money. Depending on the cost of a show, it might as many as five times the number of viewers of a network program versus a cable program.
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Programs are canceled due to lack of viewership. Networks can't afford to air shows that don't earn a profit or that lose money. Depending on the cost of a show, it might as many as five times the number of viewers of a network program versus a cable program.
I'll be the first to admit that America is full of stupid people. Why else would the airwaves be flooded with reality TV. I think that phase is starting to go away. At least a little bit. I still blame networks to a degree though because they have very short leashes for new shows yet hang on to shows that have worn out their welcome. If a show is thrown on Friday or Saturday you might as well just forget about watching it. They rarely survive.
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I'll be the first to admit that America is full of stupid people. Why else would the airwaves be flooded with reality TV. I think that phase is starting to go away. At least a little bit.

Duck Dynasty
debuted with almost 12 million viewers this week. On the hand, Game of Thrones biggest audience was 5.3 million.

It's not going away, and I certainly HOPE it doesn't go away or I'm ****ed.


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I still blame networks to a degree though because they have very short leashes for new shows yet hang on to shows that have worn out their welcome. If a show is thrown on Friday or Saturday you might as well just forget about watching it. They rarely survive.
It's all about ratings and ad buys. I was upset that Journeyman was cancelled a few years back but the numbers were awful. Meanwhile, Two and Half Men repeats last year were getting 20 million viewers a week.
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Duck Dynasty
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Kind of hard to compare those two seeing as how GOT is on a premium channel that a lot of people are not going to spend the extra money for.
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It's not going away, and I certainly HOPE it doesn't go away or I'm ****ed.




It's all about ratings and ad buys. I was upset that Journeyman was cancelled a few years back but the numbers were awful. Meanwhile, Two and Half Men repeats last year were getting 20 million viewers a week.
I didn't realize you were that big into it with your career. Is that becoming your primary money maker?
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Kind of hard to compare those two seeing as how GOT is on a premium channel that a lot of people are not going to spend the extra money for.
My point was directed at the fact that reality TV is not slipping or going away.

Sleepy Hollow
, on Fox, had 10 million viewers last night. Duck Dynasty, on A&E, had nearly 12 million.
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I didn't realize you were that big into it with your career. Is that becoming your primary money maker?
500 episodes alone this year to date. And I was just talking out loud, not trying to be a jerk.
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