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Old 05-14-2013, 02:12 PM  
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SLEEPY HOLLOW

What if you suddenly woke up from the throes of death 250 years in the future to find the world is on the brink of destruction, caused by unimaginable events, and you are humanity’s last hope? Welcome to SLEEPY HOLLOW, the thrilling new mystery-adventure drama from co-creators/executive producers Alex Kurtzman and Roberto Orci (“Star Trek” and “Transformers” franchises, “Fringe”). In this modern-day retelling of Washington Irving’s classic, ICHABOD CRANE (Tom Mison, “Salmon Fishing in the Yemen”) is resurrected and pulled two and a half centuries through time to unravel a mystery that dates all the way back to the founding fathers. Revived alongside Ichabod is the infamous Headless Horseman who is on a murderous rampage in present-day Sleepy Hollow. Bound to the Headless Horseman by a blood spell cast on the battlefield of the American Revolution, Ichabod quickly realizes that stopping Headless is just the beginning, as the resurrected rider is but the first of the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse. As this re-invented Ichabod finds himself in present-day Sleepy Hollow, he discovers a town and a world he no longer recognizes. All that is brutally familiar are Headless and Ichabod’s determination to annihilate this immortal being. It’s a mission he must complete quickly, as Headless already has viciously slain Sheriff AUGUST CORBIN (guest star Clancy Brown, “Cowboys & Aliens,” “Carnivale”). Grey served both as mentor and father figure to Detective ABBIE MILLS (Nicole Beharie, “Shame,” “American Violet”), a young cop whose own supernatural experiences help her form an unlikely bond with Ichabod. But Sleepy Hollow’s head of police, Captain FRANK IRVING (Orlando Jones, “The Chicago 8,” “Drumline”), isn’t buying any of this. In fact, the only person who is on Abbie’s side is Ichabod. His extensive first-hand knowledge of our secret American history, coupled with her superior profiling and modern threat assessment skills, will make them a formidable duo as they work together to triumph over evil. The complex pasts of Ichabod and Abbie, from Ichabod’s inclusion in the powerful and secretive Freemasons Society and the ghostly appearance of his late wife, KATRINA (Katia Winter, “Dexter”), to Abbie’s childhood visions, will help them solve the intricate puzzles of Sleepy Hollow in order to protect its future. As history repeats itself, the oddly-linked pair will draw on the real stories and hallowed secrets this nation was founded on in their quest to stop an increasingly vicious cycle of evil. SLEEPY HOLLOW is from K/O Paper Products in association with 20th Century Fox Television. The series is co-created by Alex Kurtzman, Roberto Orci, Phillip Iscove and Len Wiseman (“Hawaii Five-0,” “Underworld” and “Total Recall”). The series is executive-produced by Kurtzman, Orci, Wiseman and Heather Kadin. Iscove serves as supervising producer. Wiseman directed the pilot.

PRODUCTION COMPANIES: 20th Century Fox Television, K/O Paper Products

CO-CREATORS: Alex Kurtzman, Roberto Orci, Phillip Iscove, Len Wiseman

WRITERS: Alex Kurtzman, Roberto Orci

EXECUTIVE PRODUCERS: Alex Kurtzman, Roberto Orci, Len Wiseman, Heather Kadin

SUPERVISING PRODUCER: Phillip Iscove

DIRECTOR: Len Wiseman

CAST: Tom Mison as Ichabod Crane, Nicole Beharie as Abbie Mills, Orlando Jones as Frank Irving, Katia Winter as Katrina Crane
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Old 09-17-2013, 10:21 PM   #106
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Hence the comment about seeing how the viewership holds up.

It will drop. The question is how much.

I'm interested in seeing how many viewers Agents of SHIELD gets next week. They're trying to turn it into event TV, curious how that turns out.
The Avengers cartoon on Disney XD is surprising good. With the success of the Marvel films, I imagine that S.H.E.I.L.D. will have huge early numbers but without any real superheroes, it's difficult to predict whether or not it'll keep an audience.
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Old 09-17-2013, 10:23 PM   #107
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The Avengers cartoon on Disney XD is surprising good. With the success of the Marvel films, I imagine that S.H.E.I.L.D. will have huge numbers but without any real superheroes, it's difficult to predict whether or not it'll keep an audience.
It is pretty good, but it's nowhere near the quality of the Avengers cartoon that it replaced. Kind of a shame.

I'm actually enjoying Hulk and the Agents of SMASH, although it's about as dumb as the title would indicate.

Have you seen Beware the Batman on Cartoon Network? I've been really surprised at how good that one's been, after seeing how bad the new Teen Titans cartoon turned out. I'm not a big fan of the animation style, but the storytelling has been good so far.
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Old 09-17-2013, 10:24 PM   #108
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Have you seen Beware the Batman on Cartoon Network? I've been really surprised at how good that one's been, after seeing how bad the new Teen Titans cartoon turned out. I'm not a big fan of the animation style, but the storytelling has been good so far.
No, I haven't seen it yet. The kids are too young. I'm lucky I got to watch the Phineas & Ferb/Avengers crossover this past weekend.
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Old 09-17-2013, 10:26 PM   #109
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No, I haven't seen it yet. The kids are too young. I'm lucky I got to watch the Phineas & Ferb/Avengers crossover this past weekend.
It's worth checking out. There's a new dynamic with Alfred being a former MI6 agent, and a new asian female sidekick named Katana, both of which make it feel a little bit fresher than it might otherwise. They're also pretty heavily involved with the League of Assassins (who are also showing up on Arrow this season). It's hard to make a Batman cartoon feel like something new, after god knows how many reboots in the last 20 years, but I think they've been successful so far.
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Old 09-18-2013, 01:05 AM   #110
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Yeah, he's speaking directly in response to his Netflix experience.

Someone needs to kill this man.

I'm pretty sure 10 minutes of him talking could convince me to **** my dog for Jesus because global warming is killing the sand snakes in the Sahara...
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Old 09-18-2013, 12:33 PM   #111
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I'll be watching. Shows that I have picked to watch from the start don't have a good track record.

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I think my string of misses is busted on this one.
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Old 09-18-2013, 12:53 PM   #112
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Yeah, we just love how our entertainment prospects are decided by a corral of layabouts with clickers that focus group pilots into oblivion, giving the non-talented, non-creative $$-folk the backstop to note the talent to death, and then lock them on the sidelines with development deals for decades. Thanks.
Oh, just shut the **** up.
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Old 09-18-2013, 12:55 PM   #113
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Yeah, he's speaking directly in response to his Netflix experience.
And his premise if flawed.

Once you and everyone else in America pays $7.99 per month to watch Fox, CBS, ABC and NBC, things will change.

Until then, no.
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The big 4 aren't what they used to be. The landscape has changed dramatically just in my/our lifetime, with the advent and explosion of cable and satellite and streaming, and I think it's a safe bet that it's going to continue to change over the next 40 years. Now, into what, I wouldn't venture a guess.

It just struck me that I actually remember a time when we had a television with rabbit ears that got (I think) ABC, NBC and PBS (I don't remember fox). I remember getting cable for the first time, and a VHS player (never had beta, eventually got DVD). And now I'm sitting 10 feet away from a flat screen TV with access to hundreds of channels, many of them in HD, along with a bluray player. And at a computer with access to youtube and hulu and hbo go. Near a Kindle with the same.

And I wonder why I get nothing done.

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The big 4 aren't what they used to be. The landscape has changed dramatically just in my/our lifetime, with the advent and explosion of cable and satellite and streaming, and I think it's a safe bet that it's going to continue to change over the next 40 years. Now, into what, I wouldn't venture a guess.
As long as the "Free" networks remain advertiser driven, pilot season will exist.

It's really easy to sit back and say "Netflix has a great model!" when Netflix is charging $7.99 a month for their service. They have money to spare and if House of Cards was a failure, they'd still be profitable.

Fox, CBS and NBC shell out a billion dollars a year for the NFL alone and barely break even. Those networks just can't put any old show on the air and expect to earn revenues.

Again, it's driven by advertisers, not by people willing to pay for their service.
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Old 09-18-2013, 01:17 PM   #116
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As long as the "Free" networks remain advertiser driven, pilot season will exist.
I think that's what's going to change. Eventually.

You may not have seen my addition to my last post. Go back and look if you didn't. You'll probably mirror my recollection.

And that's how the landscape has changed, in a nutshell: we're overwhelmed with entertainment options and choices that I don't think we could have even imagined 35 years ago.
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As long as the "Free" networks remain advertiser driven, pilot season will exist.

It's really easy to sit back and say "Netflix has a great model!" when Netflix is charging $7.99 a month for their service. They have money to spare and if House of Cards was a failure, they'd still be profitable.

Fox, CBS and NBC shell out a billion dollars a year for the NFL alone and barely break even. Those networks just can't put any old show on the air and expect to earn revenues.

Again, it's driven by advertisers, not by people willing to pay for their service.
The NFL, to me, is their advertising budget for the year. Get people to sit through and see the commericals for their other shows.
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Networks are showing they're willing to adjust, albeit slowly. You're already seeing an variety of program formats. A decade ago, who would have imagined 12-13 episode shows on major networks. NBC had Hannibal last year (and next year). Now CBS has, err, what's it called, Hostages, which is I think running 15 weeks? They're basically adapting the kinds of shows that have been and are succeeding on premium channels (something that as I recall people said would never happen a few years back), and audiences are responding to at least some of them. You're even seeing corroborations between NBC and foreign networks (Crossing Lines this summer). And serial dramas now seem almost the norm, where they barely existed a decade ago.

I realize this seems like a tangent but my point is that I think they're getting creative because they know they have to in order to stay competitive. In the same light, some programs in recent years have tried varying their advertising format (with varied degrees of success). I think the major networks realize they have to adjust if they want to keep being the major networks. There's just too much out there to draw viewers away from them.
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I think that's what's going to change. Eventually.

You may not have seen my addition to my last post. Go back and look if you didn't. You'll probably mirror my recollection.

And that's how the landscape has changed, in a nutshell: we're overwhelmed with entertainment options and choices that I don't think we could have even imagined 35 years ago.
There is still a large segment of our population that do not have basic cable, let alone premium cable, and an even larger segment that do have have Netflix or Amazon or any other streaming service.

Also, keep in mind that many of these other channels and options you speak of are owned by NBC/Universal, ABC/Disney, Fox and CBS/Paramount.

HBO, TNT, TBS, FX, FXX, Showtime, Cinemax, blah, blah, blah. These aren't independent entities. I think that the studios and programmers do a pretty damn good job of knowing what will work on Network vs. Cable.
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