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Old 05-14-2013, 02:12 PM  
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SLEEPY HOLLOW

What if you suddenly woke up from the throes of death 250 years in the future to find the world is on the brink of destruction, caused by unimaginable events, and you are humanity’s last hope? Welcome to SLEEPY HOLLOW, the thrilling new mystery-adventure drama from co-creators/executive producers Alex Kurtzman and Roberto Orci (“Star Trek” and “Transformers” franchises, “Fringe”). In this modern-day retelling of Washington Irving’s classic, ICHABOD CRANE (Tom Mison, “Salmon Fishing in the Yemen”) is resurrected and pulled two and a half centuries through time to unravel a mystery that dates all the way back to the founding fathers. Revived alongside Ichabod is the infamous Headless Horseman who is on a murderous rampage in present-day Sleepy Hollow. Bound to the Headless Horseman by a blood spell cast on the battlefield of the American Revolution, Ichabod quickly realizes that stopping Headless is just the beginning, as the resurrected rider is but the first of the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse. As this re-invented Ichabod finds himself in present-day Sleepy Hollow, he discovers a town and a world he no longer recognizes. All that is brutally familiar are Headless and Ichabod’s determination to annihilate this immortal being. It’s a mission he must complete quickly, as Headless already has viciously slain Sheriff AUGUST CORBIN (guest star Clancy Brown, “Cowboys & Aliens,” “Carnivale”). Grey served both as mentor and father figure to Detective ABBIE MILLS (Nicole Beharie, “Shame,” “American Violet”), a young cop whose own supernatural experiences help her form an unlikely bond with Ichabod. But Sleepy Hollow’s head of police, Captain FRANK IRVING (Orlando Jones, “The Chicago 8,” “Drumline”), isn’t buying any of this. In fact, the only person who is on Abbie’s side is Ichabod. His extensive first-hand knowledge of our secret American history, coupled with her superior profiling and modern threat assessment skills, will make them a formidable duo as they work together to triumph over evil. The complex pasts of Ichabod and Abbie, from Ichabod’s inclusion in the powerful and secretive Freemasons Society and the ghostly appearance of his late wife, KATRINA (Katia Winter, “Dexter”), to Abbie’s childhood visions, will help them solve the intricate puzzles of Sleepy Hollow in order to protect its future. As history repeats itself, the oddly-linked pair will draw on the real stories and hallowed secrets this nation was founded on in their quest to stop an increasingly vicious cycle of evil. SLEEPY HOLLOW is from K/O Paper Products in association with 20th Century Fox Television. The series is co-created by Alex Kurtzman, Roberto Orci, Phillip Iscove and Len Wiseman (“Hawaii Five-0,” “Underworld” and “Total Recall”). The series is executive-produced by Kurtzman, Orci, Wiseman and Heather Kadin. Iscove serves as supervising producer. Wiseman directed the pilot.

PRODUCTION COMPANIES: 20th Century Fox Television, K/O Paper Products

CO-CREATORS: Alex Kurtzman, Roberto Orci, Phillip Iscove, Len Wiseman

WRITERS: Alex Kurtzman, Roberto Orci

EXECUTIVE PRODUCERS: Alex Kurtzman, Roberto Orci, Len Wiseman, Heather Kadin

SUPERVISING PRODUCER: Phillip Iscove

DIRECTOR: Len Wiseman

CAST: Tom Mison as Ichabod Crane, Nicole Beharie as Abbie Mills, Orlando Jones as Frank Irving, Katia Winter as Katrina Crane
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Old 09-18-2013, 01:29 PM   #121
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I realize this seems like a tangent but my point is that I think they're getting creative because they know they have to in order to stay competitive. In the same light, some programs in recent years have tried varying their advertising format (with varied degrees of success). I think the major networks realize they have to adjust if they want to keep being the major networks. There's just too much out there to draw viewers away from them.
If they're competing with anyone, it's themselves.

Furthermore, would Fox have been wise to put Justified or Sons of Anarchy on Fox?

The answer is a staunch "No".

Those show wouldn't last a season (if that long) but on Fx, they not only have advertisers but monthly fees that help diffuse the cost of the show, which means that they don't need as much income from advertisers to survive.
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Old 09-18-2013, 01:33 PM   #122
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There is still a large segment of our population that do not have basic cable, let alone premium cable, and an even larger segment that do have have Netflix or Amazon or any other streaming service.
I don't have netflix or amazon myself.

(Well, actually I do have amazon prime, but I don't use it.)

As far as basic cable goes, I believe the last number I heard was that more than 90% of the country pays for it now, according to Nielsen.
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Also, keep in mind that many of these other channels and options you speak of are owned by NBC/Universal, ABC/Disney, Fox and CBS/Paramount.

HBO, TNT, TBS, FX, FXX, Showtime, Cinemax, blah, blah, blah. These aren't independent entities. I think that the studios and programmers do a pretty damn good job of knowing what will work on Network vs. Cable.
I think this is probably area an where pre-existing bias makes discussion somewhat...difficult for you. (Not a criticism, just a statement.)
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Old 09-18-2013, 01:33 PM   #123
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Is Justified worth watching/catching up on?
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Old 09-18-2013, 01:37 PM   #124
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If they're competing with anyone, it's themselves.

Furthermore, would Fox have been wise to put Justified or Sons of Anarchy on Fox?

The answer is a staunch "No".

Those show wouldn't last a season (if that long) but on Fx, they not only have advertisers but monthly fees that help diffuse the cost of the show, which means that they don't need as much income from advertisers to survive.
I'm not sure what you're trying to get at here. I haven't said anything about putting Justified or Sons of Anarchy on Fox.

I would say that you can see the influence of those shows there, however.

Anyway, I need to get some sleep. I'm still up from Tuesday.
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Old 09-18-2013, 01:39 PM   #125
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Is Justified worth watching/catching up on?
I think you'd love that show to death if you haven't seen it already. It starts out good and gets better season by season. Legitimately one of the best shows on any network. It's one of the few things I try to watch the night it airs.
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Old 09-18-2013, 01:41 PM   #126
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I think you'd love that show to death if you haven't seen it already. It starts out good and gets better season by season. Legitimately one of the best shows on any network.
I am a big fan of Olyphant. I just missed the beginning and after that didn't want to jump in watching and not know what was going on.

What's the show about?
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Old 09-18-2013, 01:45 PM   #127
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I am a big fan of Olyphant. I just missed the beginning and after that didn't want to jump in watching and not know what was going on.

What's the show about?
Olyphant is a special agent that keeps smoking off perps. So they put him in bum **** nowhere where he is from to be a cop. Lots of crazy shit ensues. Pick it up. It's worth it.
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Old 09-18-2013, 01:47 PM   #128
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I am a big fan of Olyphant. I just missed the beginning and after that didn't want to jump in watching and not know what was going on.

What's the show about?
He's a US Marshall who as the show begins is working in miami, but due to a series of events ends up returning to his home county in Kentucky and working with the Marshall's there. It's basically Olyphant playing a western in modern day Kentucky, as a real throwback, shoot-first-ask-questions-later cowboy Marshall. Somewhat reminiscent of his role on Deadwood, but quite a bit different at the same time (still some simmering anger in the Raylen Givens character, but a lot more humor in his role than with Seth Bullock). He's tremendous in the role, and he's surrounded by a lot of great actors in supporting roles (including Walton Goggins, who was Shane Vendrell if you watched the Shield, sort of Olyphant's foil on Justified). Tons of great characters, and great season-long story arcs. I really can't think of anything I don't like about the show (which is saying something for me....).
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Is Justified worth watching/catching up on?
I think it's amazing. I watched the first three seasons on Amazon Prime, where it's free, in nine days.

I think you'd love it.
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Old 09-18-2013, 01:55 PM   #130
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I don't have netflix or amazon myself.

(Well, actually I do have amazon prime, but I don't use it.)

As far as basic cable goes, I believe the last number I heard was that more than 90% of the country pays for it now, according to Nielsen.I think this is probably area an where pre-existing bias makes discussion somewhat...difficult for you. (Not a criticism, just a statement.)
It has nothing to do with bias: Fox owns Fx, Time Warner owns TNT, TBS, HBO, Cinemax, the CW, Viacom owns CBS, Showtime, etc. and so on.

The main reason shows that are offered on those cable channels and not on "Free" network TV is that they only appeal to a certain demo and would not be profitable on Network.

A program like Dexter lasts eight seasons on Showtime but wouldn't last a season on network. That list isn't endless but it's quite long.
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Okay, you've all sold me. I'll check out Justified.
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Okay, you've all sold me. I'll check out Justified.
It's on Amazon Prime.
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Yes, do that. Fantastic show from the first. Like any show, it has its lags, but it gets better and better with time. Excellent writing and acting. Definitely one of my favorites going right now.
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Old 09-18-2013, 02:08 PM   #134
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Yes, do that. Fantastic show from the first. Like any show, it has its lags, but it gets better and better with time. Excellent writing and acting. Definitely one of my favorites going right now.
I thought season one had a few bumps but season two and three were insanely good. I haven't watched season four because its not on Prime yet and I missed the broadcast on Fx.

But the DVR is set when it's in repeats.
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I thought season 4 continued the general uptick in quality that seasons 2 and 3 had.
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