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Old 05-14-2013, 08:02 PM  
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WASHINGTON – A federal agency is proposing that states lower the threshold for drunken driving to the point where a woman could be charged for driving after one drink and a man after two in a move officials say would save thousands of lives.

The National Transportation Safety Board recommended that all states drop the blood-alcohol level at which motorists can be charged with driving drunk to .05, down from the current rate of .08 that all 50 states impose. The threshold is a matter of state law, but the federal government can pressure states to meet its standard by threatening to withhold highway funding.

"Our goal is to get to zero deaths because each alcohol-impaired death is preventable."

- Deborah Hersman, chair of NTSB

"Our goal is to get to zero deaths because each alcohol-impaired death is preventable," NTSB Chairman Deborah Hersman said. "Alcohol-impaired deaths are not accidents, they are crimes. They can and should be prevented. The tools exist. What is needed is the will."

More than 100 countries have adopted the .05 alcohol content standard or lower, according to an NTSB report. In Europe, drunken driving deaths were cut by more than half a decade after the stricter standard was implemented.

Studies show a woman weighing less than 120 pounds can reach .05 after just one drink, while a man weighing up to 160 pounds reaches .05 after two drinks.

New approaches are needed to combat drunken driving, which claims the lives of more than a third of the 30,000 people killed each year on U.S highways — a level of carnage that that has remained stubbornly consistent for the past decade and a half, the board said.

"Our goal is to get to zero deaths because each alcohol-impaired death is preventable," NTSB Chairman Deborah Hersman said. "Alcohol-impaired deaths are not accidents, they are crimes. They can and should be prevented. The tools exist. What is needed is the will."

But the recommendation to lowering the alcohol content threshold to .05 is likely to meet strong resistance from states, said Jonathan Adkins, an official with the Governors Highway Safety Association, which represents state highway safety offices.

"It was very difficult to get .08 in most states so lowering it again won't be popular," Adkins said. "The focus in the states is on high (blood alcohol content) offenders as well as repeat offenders. We expect industry will also be very vocal about keeping the limit at .08."

The lower alcohol content threshold was one of nearly 20 recommendations aimed at reducing drunken driving made by the board, including that states adopt measures to ensure more widespread use of use of alcohol ignition interlock devices. Those require a driver to breathe into a tube, much like the breathalyzers police ask suspected drunken drivers to use.

The board has previously recommended states require all convicted drunken drivers install the interlock devices in their vehicles as a condition to resume driving. Currently, 17 states and two California counties require all convicted drivers use the devices.

However, only about a quarter of drivers ordered to use the devices actually end up doing so, NTSB said. Drivers use a variety of ways to evade using the devices, including claiming they won't drive at all or don't own a vehicle and therefore don't need the devices, staff said.

The board recommended the National Highway Safety Administration, which makes safety grants to states, develop a program to encourage states to ensure all convicted drivers actually use the devices. The board also recommended that all suspected drunken drivers whose licenses are confiscated by police be required to install interlocks as a condition of getting their licenses reinstated even though they haven't yet been convicted of a crime.

Courts usually require drivers to pay for the devices, which cost about $50 to $100 to buy plus a $50 a month fee to operate, staff said.

The board has previously called on the safety administration and the auto industry to step up their research into technology for use in all vehicles that can detect whether a driver has elevated blood alcohol without the driver breathing into a tube or taking any other action. Drivers with elevated levels would be unable to start their cars.

But the technology is still years away.

Studies show more than 4 million people a year in the U.S. drive while intoxicated, but about half of the intoxicated drivers stopped by police escape detection, the NTSB report said. The board made several recommendations aimed at increasing both the visibility and effectiveness of police enforcement, including expanded use of passive alcohol devices. The devices are often contained in real flash lights or shaped to look like a cellphone that officers wear on their shirt pockets or belts. If an officer points the flashlight at a driver or the cellphone-like device comes in close proximity to an intoxicated driver, the devices will alert police who may not have any other reason to suspected drunken driving.

The use of the devices currently is very limited, the report said.

Dramatic progress was made in the 1980s through the mid-1990s after the minimum drinking age was raised to 21 and the legally-allowable maximum level of drivers' blood alcohol content was lowered to .08, the report said. Today, drunken driving claims about 10,000 lives a year, down from over 18,000 in 1982. At that time, alcohol-related fatalities accounted for about 40 percent of highway deaths.

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Old 05-14-2013, 09:02 PM   #46
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If there was no damage to property or persons what crime was committed? You are confusing what should be considered immoral with what should be considered illegal. Illegal things are things that damage another person and/or their property and planning to damage another person and/or their property.

For example, most would consider adultery immoral, not many would consider making it illegal.
Behavior that creates a substantial risk of substantial harm to others should be illegal or "heavily regulated." If there's a decent chance what you are doing might kill someone, you shouldn't be doing it.
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Old 05-14-2013, 09:02 PM   #47
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So you're OK with drunk driving as long as nobody actually gets hurt?
no shit , i was wondering the same thing...like he is cool with unloading an AK 74 into a crowd but if miraculously no damage is done, its all good?

dumbest thing i have ever heard
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Old 05-14-2013, 09:11 PM   #48
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How many of you have never driven with a blood alcohol content above the legal limit?

I'm guessing a lot of you are OK with driving drunk as long as nobody actually gets hurt. You've probably done it. Recently...frequently....
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Old 05-14-2013, 09:12 PM   #49
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If there was no damage to property or persons what crime was committed? You are confusing what should be considered immoral with what should be considered illegal. Illegal things are things that damage another person and/or their property and planning to damage another person and/or their property.

For example, most would consider adultery immoral, not many would consider making it illegal.
If a driver gets pulled over for making an illegal lane change and they are found to be driving drunk, I want the officer to give them a DUI and get them off the road. Who's to say that if they wouldn't have been pulled over that they wouldn't have gotten into an accident and killed another driver. If you think the driver should just be issued a citation for the illegal lane change and sent on his merry way, then you are one stupid son of a bitch.
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Old 05-14-2013, 09:14 PM   #50
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How many of you have never driven with a blood alcohol content above the legal limit?

I'm guessing a lot of you are OK with driving drunk as long as nobody actually gets hurt. You've probably done it. Recently...frequently....
Yes, I've made the stupid decision to drive drunk. I've also been fully aware of the consequences and willing to face them if caught. I've gotten wiser as I've gotten older and do not drive after drinking anymore.
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Old 05-14-2013, 09:15 PM   #51
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I agree. But those benefits have nothing to do with driving, nor does it have anything to do with your desire to get stoned.
never said that it did.
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Old 05-14-2013, 09:16 PM   #52
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Behavior that creates a substantial risk of substantial harm to others should be illegal or "heavily regulated." If there's a decent chance what you are doing might kill someone, you shouldn't be doing it.
Define a "substantial risk". Your risk of getting into a fatal car accident is quite low. Your risk of getting into a fatal car accident where alcohol is involved is even lower.
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Define a "substantial risk". Your risk of getting into a fatal car accident is quite low. Your risk of getting into a fatal car accident where alcohol is involved is even lower.
Are you a professional ****ing moron, or are you holding onto your amateur status until after the next dumb **** Olympics?
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Old 05-14-2013, 09:22 PM   #54
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Potheads give all the ammo needed to defeat them. If you test positive you can bet in many jobs the man will fire your ass and the courts will support the decision.
and that makes it right?

I know that you believe that weed is illegal because the government is protecting you from the plant. I know that you think that alcohol is fine and not harmful because it's legal compared to weed. I know that you would only believe what you see on fox news or what your preacher tells you.

You believe so badly that Murica is the perfect country and the government is doing this war of marijuana and spending so much money on it to protect you from this plant. I know that you truly believe that.

So, there's really not any point in speaking with you.

Fox news isn't going to report on it for you until the evidence is so damning that it becomes self evident and accepted and I'm not sure how much longer that is going to take. It will be in my life time, I'm confident of that though.
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Old 05-14-2013, 09:25 PM   #55
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If a driver gets pulled over for making an illegal lane change and they are found to be driving drunk, I want the officer to give them a DUI and get them off the road. Who's to say that if they wouldn't have been pulled over that they wouldn't have gotten into an accident and killed another driver. If you think the driver should just be issued a citation for the illegal lane change and sent on his merry way, then you are one stupid son of a bitch.
I don't believe in punishment when someone else's rights haven't been infringed or they haven't been damaged. That is like banning guns, knives, and baseball bats because there is a chance that the person owning them may hurt themselves or others.

Now, this isn't to say that driving drunk is at all a good idea. I, and most people, consider it immoral. I am fine with public pressure against drunk driving. I don't think that government should be able to punish you for something in which there was no victim.
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Define a "substantial risk". Your risk of getting into a fatal car accident is quite low. Your risk of getting into a fatal car accident where alcohol is involved is even lower.
Ooooooookay then.......
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I don't believe in punishment when someone else's rights haven't been infringed or they haven't been damaged. That is like banning guns, knives, and baseball bats because there is a chance that the person owning them may hurt themselves or others.

Now, this isn't to say that driving drunk is at all a good idea. I, and most people, consider it immoral. I am fine with public pressure against drunk driving. I don't think that government should be able to punish you for something in which there was no victim.
Well, I hope that you or someone you love is never killed by a drunk driver that was let go by an officer because "hey, you haven't hurt anyone."
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Old 05-14-2013, 09:47 PM   #59
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I don't believe in punishment when someone else's rights haven't been infringed or they haven't been damaged. That is like banning guns, knives, and baseball bats because there is a chance that the person owning them may hurt themselves or others.

Now, this isn't to say that driving drunk is at all a good idea. I, and most people, consider it immoral. I am fine with public pressure against drunk driving. I don't think that government should be able to punish you for something in which there was no victim.
Some things are so reckless, with potential for such great harm such as death, that they should be illegal. Yes, that is the argument some use against guns. However, you can make a reasonable argument about self defense and that responsible gun owners are not reckless.

However, there is no reasonable or responsible drunk driving. Unlike using a knife, a baseball bat, or even a gun, there is no safe way to drive drunk. It is reckless and inherently and unnecessarily puts others lives needlessly at risk.
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How many of you have never driven with a blood alcohol content above the legal limit?
I never have. I never drive with even one drink either.
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