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Old 05-14-2013, 07:02 PM  
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WASHINGTON A federal agency is proposing that states lower the threshold for drunken driving to the point where a woman could be charged for driving after one drink and a man after two in a move officials say would save thousands of lives.

The National Transportation Safety Board recommended that all states drop the blood-alcohol level at which motorists can be charged with driving drunk to .05, down from the current rate of .08 that all 50 states impose. The threshold is a matter of state law, but the federal government can pressure states to meet its standard by threatening to withhold highway funding.

"Our goal is to get to zero deaths because each alcohol-impaired death is preventable."

- Deborah Hersman, chair of NTSB

"Our goal is to get to zero deaths because each alcohol-impaired death is preventable," NTSB Chairman Deborah Hersman said. "Alcohol-impaired deaths are not accidents, they are crimes. They can and should be prevented. The tools exist. What is needed is the will."

More than 100 countries have adopted the .05 alcohol content standard or lower, according to an NTSB report. In Europe, drunken driving deaths were cut by more than half a decade after the stricter standard was implemented.

Studies show a woman weighing less than 120 pounds can reach .05 after just one drink, while a man weighing up to 160 pounds reaches .05 after two drinks.

New approaches are needed to combat drunken driving, which claims the lives of more than a third of the 30,000 people killed each year on U.S highways a level of carnage that that has remained stubbornly consistent for the past decade and a half, the board said.

"Our goal is to get to zero deaths because each alcohol-impaired death is preventable," NTSB Chairman Deborah Hersman said. "Alcohol-impaired deaths are not accidents, they are crimes. They can and should be prevented. The tools exist. What is needed is the will."

But the recommendation to lowering the alcohol content threshold to .05 is likely to meet strong resistance from states, said Jonathan Adkins, an official with the Governors Highway Safety Association, which represents state highway safety offices.

"It was very difficult to get .08 in most states so lowering it again won't be popular," Adkins said. "The focus in the states is on high (blood alcohol content) offenders as well as repeat offenders. We expect industry will also be very vocal about keeping the limit at .08."

The lower alcohol content threshold was one of nearly 20 recommendations aimed at reducing drunken driving made by the board, including that states adopt measures to ensure more widespread use of use of alcohol ignition interlock devices. Those require a driver to breathe into a tube, much like the breathalyzers police ask suspected drunken drivers to use.

The board has previously recommended states require all convicted drunken drivers install the interlock devices in their vehicles as a condition to resume driving. Currently, 17 states and two California counties require all convicted drivers use the devices.

However, only about a quarter of drivers ordered to use the devices actually end up doing so, NTSB said. Drivers use a variety of ways to evade using the devices, including claiming they won't drive at all or don't own a vehicle and therefore don't need the devices, staff said.

The board recommended the National Highway Safety Administration, which makes safety grants to states, develop a program to encourage states to ensure all convicted drivers actually use the devices. The board also recommended that all suspected drunken drivers whose licenses are confiscated by police be required to install interlocks as a condition of getting their licenses reinstated even though they haven't yet been convicted of a crime.

Courts usually require drivers to pay for the devices, which cost about $50 to $100 to buy plus a $50 a month fee to operate, staff said.

The board has previously called on the safety administration and the auto industry to step up their research into technology for use in all vehicles that can detect whether a driver has elevated blood alcohol without the driver breathing into a tube or taking any other action. Drivers with elevated levels would be unable to start their cars.

But the technology is still years away.

Studies show more than 4 million people a year in the U.S. drive while intoxicated, but about half of the intoxicated drivers stopped by police escape detection, the NTSB report said. The board made several recommendations aimed at increasing both the visibility and effectiveness of police enforcement, including expanded use of passive alcohol devices. The devices are often contained in real flash lights or shaped to look like a cellphone that officers wear on their shirt pockets or belts. If an officer points the flashlight at a driver or the cellphone-like device comes in close proximity to an intoxicated driver, the devices will alert police who may not have any other reason to suspected drunken driving.

The use of the devices currently is very limited, the report said.

Dramatic progress was made in the 1980s through the mid-1990s after the minimum drinking age was raised to 21 and the legally-allowable maximum level of drivers' blood alcohol content was lowered to .08, the report said. Today, drunken driving claims about 10,000 lives a year, down from over 18,000 in 1982. At that time, alcohol-related fatalities accounted for about 40 percent of highway deaths.

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Old 05-16-2013, 06:37 AM   #76
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The crash data suggests the BAL cutoff shouldn't be .08 and sure as **** shouldn't be .05.

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That is interesting. It looks like there is not a real benifit to making the limit lower than it is now. Other than more arrests and fees for Uncle Sam.
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Old 05-16-2013, 06:56 AM   #77
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. Other than more arrests and fees for Uncle Sam.
And there you have it, except it would be State income, not Federal.
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Old 05-16-2013, 07:08 AM   #78
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Old 05-16-2013, 07:28 AM   #79
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People like Wickedson that want all guns banned should support a one drink limit, I would think.
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Old 05-16-2013, 08:00 AM   #80
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Good ol' government and its "solutions", hey too many people are driving over the legal limit right now, what should we do?

How about lowering the limit.

Great idea, another dumb ****ing law that doesn't address the problem. Maybe if we ban 30rd magazines that will decrease the number of drunk drivers too.
I don't really care what the limit is but I think your point is spot on.

The limit does not address the problem
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Old 05-16-2013, 11:30 AM   #81
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And there you have it, except it would be State income, not Federal.
How about 2nd cousin twice removed Sheldon for the State and local folks
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Old 05-16-2013, 02:05 PM   #82
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It is about money and nothing else. It does nothing other than allow them to charge people not intoxicated with a crime~
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Old 05-16-2013, 02:06 PM   #83
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It is about money and nothing else. It does nothing other than allow them to charge people not intoxicated with a crime~
Yup.

If they really wanted to stop drunk driving, they would make it a mandatory jail sentence. Municipalities are hurting bad after 5 years in a Ocommie economy, looking for new creative ways to sap revenue out of the citizenry.
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Old 05-16-2013, 02:08 PM   #84
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It is about money and nothing else. It does nothing other than allow them to charge people not intoxicated with a crime~
It sure is. In Florida, the govt has shortened the duration time on yellow lights, in order for more drivers to run red lights where there are cameras. Record breaking number of moving violations. It's getting almost as bad as Massholes, by being assholes.
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Old 05-16-2013, 02:28 PM   #85
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It sure is. In Florida, the govt has shortened the duration time on yellow lights, in order for more drivers to run red lights where there are cameras. Record breaking number of moving violations.
There's a main road near me with like 10 stoplights within 7-8 miles, that I swear allows all the 25 MPH sidestreets more green light time than the 35-40 MPH Main Road between 4 and 7 PM every week night. And I pass at least 3 cops on those side streets anytime I drive during rush hour, and I don't think I've ever driven it between those times without seeing at least one person getting a ticket. The intersections are always backed up during rush hour and one light in particular requires a two cycles to get through every time, even though its side streets are almost always empty.

There's also a 60 MPH state highway nearby with lights that turn red at 2-3 in the morning when no one is waiting on the side streets. And while I don't think they're ticketing from the cams on these corssings (yet), they make you choose between unnecessarily wasting gas and time and wear and tear on your car or running the risk of a ticket. It's a big crock of shit.
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It is about money and nothing else. It does nothing other than allow them to charge people not intoxicated with a crime~
Exactly. This is a money grab, plain and simple.
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Old 05-16-2013, 02:53 PM   #89
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The crash data suggests the BAL cutoff shouldn't be .08 and sure as **** shouldn't be .05.

http://s.wsj.net/public/resources/im...0609160308.gif
Your chart doesn't provide any useful data, because it doesn't show the percentage of drivers who fall into each category.

It's like posting data showing that people driving Ferraris only account for 2% of all speeding tickets while people driving Fords account for 5% and inferring that people who drive Fords tend to drive faster than people who drive Ferraris.

If you take into account the fact that 20% of people drive Fords while .02% drive Ferraris, you come to the opposite conclusion.
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It doesn't matter. Setting a one size fits all BAC on a traffic stop might not be the best idea.
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