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Old 08-06-2013, 09:05 AM  
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Peace and freedom minded Whistleblower exposes US ability to snoop on al Qaeda leader

Leak of Zawahiri Intercepts Damages U.S. Security

6:04 PM, AUG 5, 2013 • BY STEPHEN F. HAYES

The closure of nearly two dozen U.S. embassies over the weekend came after the U.S. government intercepted communications between Ayman al Zawahiri, the leader of al Qaeda, and Nasir al Wuhayshi, the leader of the terror group’s most dangerous affiliate, al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula, according to reports from McClatchy news service and the New York Times.

There are two pieces of news there. The reason for the shuttering the embassies is interesting, of course. But the far more significant development is the disclosure of the fact that the U.S. government intercepted communications that included some of those to or from Zawahiri. It seems clear that however Zawahiri and Wuhayshi were communicating, they won’t likely be in touch the same way again. As a result, the United States stands to lose access to realtime intelligence from one or both of these top al Qaeda leaders.

In a story published Sunday, McClatchy reported on the source of the intelligence. “An official who had been briefed on the matter in Sanaa, the Yemeni capital, said the embassy closings and travel advisory were the result of an intercepted communication between Nasir al-Wuhayshi, the head of the Yemen-based al-Qaida in the Arabian Peninsula, and al-Qaida leader Ayman al Zawahiri in which Zawahiri gave ‘clear orders’ to al-Wuhaysi, who was recently named al Qaida's general manager, to carry out an attack. The official, however, said he could not divulge details of the plot.”

In a story posted Monday, the New York Times reported much the same information and revealed that the paper had initially withheld details of the intercepts.

In an article posted on the web on Friday and published on Saturday, the identities of the Qaeda leaders whose conversations were intercepted were witheld by the New York Times at the request of senior American intelligence officials. The names were disclosed Sunday by McClatchy Newspapers, and after the government became aware of the article, it dropped its objections to the Times’s publishing the same information.

The decision to close the embassies has proven controversial, with some critics alleging that the U.S. has assumed a defensive posture not warranted by the intelligence – or at least what's publicly known of it – and others wondering whether the far-reaching action is being used to justify the continuation of the NSA programs much in the news over the past several weeks. Many of the embassy closings have been extended and U.S. intelligence officials insist that the threat is real and immediate.

Whatever comes of these warnings, and we downplay them are our peril, the disclosure of the fact that the U.S. government issued them because of intercepted communications between al Qaeda leaders necessarily makes us less secure.

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Old 08-06-2013, 09:11 AM   #2
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Old 08-06-2013, 09:13 AM   #3
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Absolutely 100% agree with the article

Why would anyone release HOW we got the intel?

This is the kind of shit that makes me be against the Assanges and SNowdens of the world.....It is a very very thin line we have to ride, I do acknowledge....a very thin line between hero and moron......

But anything that allows the enemy to:

1)Understand how our troops operate in the field

2)Get any sort of info on how we gather intelligence

3)put at risk service people, like publicizing names, numbers, locations

etc, etc

We should take some cues from Israel in terms of security IMO.

I understand there is the line (as I mentioned above) about being transparent....but we really need to come together as a country and make some decisions about where the line is.
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Old 08-06-2013, 09:20 AM   #4
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Maybe you should try reading the article, redcoat...this doesn't have a thing in the world to do with Snowden.
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Old 08-06-2013, 09:33 AM   #5
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Maybe you should try reading the article, redcoat...this doesn't have a thing in the world to do with Snowden.
I'm pretty sure Donger understood that it had to do with a different leaker. It might have been a traitor like Snowden or it might have been an authorized leak from an incompetent or politically-motivated administration.
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Old 08-06-2013, 10:45 AM   #8
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I'm pretty sure Donger understood that it had to do with a different leaker. It might have been a traitor like Snowden or it might have been an authorized leak from an incompetent or politically-motivated administration.
You don't even know that Snowden leaked any secrets that threaten our security.
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You don't even know that Snowden leaked any secrets that threaten our security.
Uh, yes I do.
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Uh, yes I do.
You have a job in the industry? How many cubicles away do you sit from Donger?
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I was really curious why the Zawahiri source was revealed. If you're able to monitor that guy, you're shutting down a whole bunch of stuff. You wouldn't even try to capture or kill him in that case, and you definitely wouldn't reveal that you've got him under the microscope. This seems like a huge blunder.

Unless of course it's orchestrated and they want him to think he's being monitored. If you get a lucky hit on one message, you leak this and make him disrupt his system. That's why intel is so fun.
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I was really curious why the Zawahiri source was revealed. If you're able to monitor that guy, you're shutting down a whole bunch of stuff. You wouldn't even try to capture or kill him in that case, and you definitely wouldn't reveal that you've got him under the microscope. This seems like a huge blunder.

Unless of course it's orchestrated and they want him to think he's being monitored. If you get a lucky hit on one message, you leak this and make him disrupt his system. That's why intel is so fun.
Donger and Pat are convinced we're doomed due to this, don't ruin the moment.
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You have a job in the industry? How many cubicles away do you sit from Donger?
Would you agree that having AQ change they way they communicate with each other as a direct result of Snowden's leaking is a negative?
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Would you agree that having AQ change they way they communicate with each other as a direct result of Snowden's leaking is a negative?
If it were true, which I highly doubt.
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If it were true, which I highly doubt.
So you don't believe the officials who have claimed precisely that?
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