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Old 05-20-2013, 06:21 PM  
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DOJ labels Fox News Reporter Co-Conspirator

Now the liberal media is sinking their teeth into Obama. Awesome.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...m_hp_ref=media

DOJ's Calls Fox News Reporter James Rosen 'Co-Conspirator' In Leak Case; Journalists Outraged


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A new article about how the Obama administration tracked the movements and correspondence of a Fox News reporter led to a fresh round of condemnation by journalists on Monday.

The Washington Post published an explosive story about the Justice Department's monitoring of James Rosen, a Fox News reporter based in Washington. Rosen allegedly spoke to Stephen Jin-Woo Kim, a State Department contractor, for a story about North Korea's nuclear program. The Justice Department charged Kim with violating the Espionage Act for his contact with Rosen.

Kim's case has already been condemned by critics of the White House's hyper-aggressive approach to leaks, but the details of the DOJ's tracking of Rosen have not been known until now. The Post's Ann E. Marimow laid out the intensity of that monitoring in her article:

The Justice Department used security badge access records to track the reporter’s comings and goings from the State Department, according to a newly obtained court affidavit. They traced the timing of his calls with a State Department security adviser suspected of sharing the classified report. They obtained a search warrant for the reporter’s personal emails.

That goes above and beyond what the Justice Department did when it monitored the Associated Press. There, it looked at phone records, not the actual contents of emails.

Perhaps more chilling, the Post reported that, in order to justify its search warrants for Rosen's private correspondence, the Justice Department labeled Rosen a "co-conspirator" with Kim because he made an arrangement with him about how to get him information:

Reyes wrote that there was evidence Rosen had broken the law, “at the very least, either as an aider, abettor and/or co-conspirator.” That fact distinguishes his case from the probe of the AP, in which the news organization is not the likely target.


It's not clear how different these arrangements, which the Post wrote involved things like code names, were from the elaborate arrangements that Bob Woodward made with Deep Throat. Journalists reacted with particular alarm to the notion that Rosen was an "abettor" simply because he pushed for a source to give him information:

Ryan Lizza @RyanLizza

Case against Fox's Rosen, in which O admin is criminalizing reporting, makes all of the other "scandals" look like giant nothing burgers.

Eli Lake @EliLake

Serious idea. Instead of calling it Obama's war on whistleblowers, let's just call it what it is: Obama's war on journalism.

Glenn Greenwald ✔ @ggreenwald

To address a widely believed myth: except in very rare circumstances, it is *not* a crime for journalists to report classified information

There has long been evidence that some government prosecutors do not consider journalists to have heightened levels of protection. In January, for instance, lawyers prosecuting military whistleblower Bradley Manning said that, had he passed information to the New York Times instead of WikiLeaks, he would still be "aiding the enemy." The government has also tried to make the case in the past that WikiLeaks chief Julian Assange could be indicted as a co-conspirator with Manning for receiving his information.

UPDATE: Fox News responded to the Rosen investigation in a statement to TVNewser:

“We are outraged to learn today that James Rosen was named a criminal co-conspirator for simply doing his job as a reporter. In fact, it is downright chilling. We will unequivocally defend his right to operate as a member of what up until now has always been a free press.”


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Accusing James Rosen of committing crimes - for basic reporting - may be the most dangerous thing the Obama DOJ has done yet

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Old 05-20-2013, 09:28 PM   #31
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Is the admin able to get such emails and phone records due to all the changes since 9/11? Like the Patriot Act?
This is why such an act should not be passed. It will always be abused.
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Old 05-20-2013, 09:32 PM   #32
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Is the admin able to get such emails and phone records due to all the changes since 9/11? Like the Patriot Act?
This is why such an act should not be passed. It will always be abused.
Yes and we reap what we sow. The right wanted the Patriot Act now they got it. They also complained that Obama was soft on leakers, well I guess not.

BTW a federal judge appointed by Reagan approved the search warrant on Rosen.

I don't necessarily agree with the FBI that Rosen was a co-conspirator but he shouldn't be trying to get classified information on government property.
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Old 05-20-2013, 09:34 PM   #33
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Yes and we reap what we sow. The right wanted the Patriot Act now they got it. They also complained that Obama was soft on leakers, well I guess not.

BTW a federal judge appointed by Reagen approved the search warrant on Rosen.

I don't necessarily agree with the FBI that Rosen was a co-conspirator but he shouldn't be trying to get classified information on government property.
Well, at least there was a warrant from a judge.

BTW, there were enough the right that were opposed to the Patriot Act—like myself.
Congress at the time—another story. Remember, Obama extended the Patriot Act and promised a change in civil liberties.
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Old 05-20-2013, 09:38 PM   #34
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Well, at least there was a warrant from a judge.

BTW, there were enough the right that were opposed to the Patriot Act—like myself.
Congress at the time—another story. Remember, Obama promised improvements in civil liberties and didn't deliver.
I am sure there was just not enough. Now they can spy on all of us and companies like Google and the telco's have zero problem turning over their customers information.

I definitely agree he promised that and that is probably one of my biggest disappointments in him.
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Old 05-20-2013, 09:49 PM   #35
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I am sure there was just not enough. Now they can spy on all of us and companies like Google and the telco's have zero problem turning over their customers information.

I definitely agree he promised that and that is probably one of my biggest disappointments in him.
Yes I know about Google and the big central spy center out west. I understand it's going to get worse with Google too. Anyone relying on email for security is naive. Snail mail is safer.
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Old 05-20-2013, 09:55 PM   #36
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Perhaps, but this guy keeps finding himself in hot water. One thing the media doesn't seem to warm up to is people going out of their way to **** with one of their own, even if they are ****ing with "the other side."

On a side note, I expect Barry to milk the hell out of the Moore, OK twister to try to deflect as much of the heat off him as he can. It just seems like his style.
correct on both points...

the ig report on fast and furious was just put out if i understood the piece correctly...

more hot water for holder and the big o.,.

i'm disappointed that we're wasting all this time on things that aren't going to change the world when we should be doing something about immigration, energy, jobs and more...
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Old 05-20-2013, 10:01 PM   #37
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I am sure there was just not enough. Now they can spy on all of us and companies like Google and the telco's have zero problem turning over their customers information.

I definitely agree he promised that and that is probably one of my biggest disappointments in him.
"they" can spy on all of us now...

whole federal agencies devote themselves to monitoring digital communication anywhere in the world (practically anyway), including here in 'merica...

law enforcement at every level can get search warrants to seize phone records in criminal investigations and that's to say nothing about fisa warrants and the patriot act in general...

the big o's stance on the war on drugs and infringement of civil liberties have been more than disappointing, they have been downright infuriating...
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Old 05-20-2013, 10:02 PM   #38
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That's why I am pissed. One party will create a loophole or a way around procedures to get what they want, then the other party will use that opened door to push their bullshit through.


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Old 05-20-2013, 10:27 PM   #39
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It's not what he does per se...it's WHY...
So what is the WHY? Is it any different than anyone else? Presidents usually go to these things and never was it necessary nor did they spend the day helping clean up debris. They go in part for a morale boost to the people there and in part for a photo op. And no matter what, morons will bitch about it.
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Old 05-20-2013, 10:40 PM   #40
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Yes and we reap what we sow. The right wanted the Patriot Act now they got it. They also complained that Obama was soft on leakers, well I guess not.

BTW a federal judge appointed by Reagan approved the search warrant on Rosen.

I don't necessarily agree with the FBI that Rosen was a co-conspirator but he shouldn't be trying to get classified information on government property.
No, "they" complained that Obama was an opportunistic leaker who placed more value on making Obama look good than on national security. And "they" were right.
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Old 05-21-2013, 05:37 AM   #41
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or the 4th..or 5th...or 10th should we go on

ARE PEOPLE STARTING TO WAKE THE **** UP?
No. They'll toss and turn and go back to sleep.
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Old 05-21-2013, 06:22 AM   #44
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I agree John, but it's what I have come to expect with these useless window lickers.

The hill has turned into nothing more than a giant pissing contest. They run their mouth, but don't seem to get much done in the way of helping out the folks that put them in office...........useless.
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