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Old 05-20-2013, 06:21 PM  
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DOJ labels Fox News Reporter Co-Conspirator

Now the liberal media is sinking their teeth into Obama. Awesome.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...m_hp_ref=media

DOJ's Calls Fox News Reporter James Rosen 'Co-Conspirator' In Leak Case; Journalists Outraged


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A new article about how the Obama administration tracked the movements and correspondence of a Fox News reporter led to a fresh round of condemnation by journalists on Monday.

The Washington Post published an explosive story about the Justice Department's monitoring of James Rosen, a Fox News reporter based in Washington. Rosen allegedly spoke to Stephen Jin-Woo Kim, a State Department contractor, for a story about North Korea's nuclear program. The Justice Department charged Kim with violating the Espionage Act for his contact with Rosen.

Kim's case has already been condemned by critics of the White House's hyper-aggressive approach to leaks, but the details of the DOJ's tracking of Rosen have not been known until now. The Post's Ann E. Marimow laid out the intensity of that monitoring in her article:

The Justice Department used security badge access records to track the reporter’s comings and goings from the State Department, according to a newly obtained court affidavit. They traced the timing of his calls with a State Department security adviser suspected of sharing the classified report. They obtained a search warrant for the reporter’s personal emails.

That goes above and beyond what the Justice Department did when it monitored the Associated Press. There, it looked at phone records, not the actual contents of emails.

Perhaps more chilling, the Post reported that, in order to justify its search warrants for Rosen's private correspondence, the Justice Department labeled Rosen a "co-conspirator" with Kim because he made an arrangement with him about how to get him information:

Reyes wrote that there was evidence Rosen had broken the law, “at the very least, either as an aider, abettor and/or co-conspirator.” That fact distinguishes his case from the probe of the AP, in which the news organization is not the likely target.


It's not clear how different these arrangements, which the Post wrote involved things like code names, were from the elaborate arrangements that Bob Woodward made with Deep Throat. Journalists reacted with particular alarm to the notion that Rosen was an "abettor" simply because he pushed for a source to give him information:

Ryan Lizza @RyanLizza

Case against Fox's Rosen, in which O admin is criminalizing reporting, makes all of the other "scandals" look like giant nothing burgers.

Eli Lake @EliLake

Serious idea. Instead of calling it Obama's war on whistleblowers, let's just call it what it is: Obama's war on journalism.

Glenn Greenwald ✔ @ggreenwald

To address a widely believed myth: except in very rare circumstances, it is *not* a crime for journalists to report classified information

There has long been evidence that some government prosecutors do not consider journalists to have heightened levels of protection. In January, for instance, lawyers prosecuting military whistleblower Bradley Manning said that, had he passed information to the New York Times instead of WikiLeaks, he would still be "aiding the enemy." The government has also tried to make the case in the past that WikiLeaks chief Julian Assange could be indicted as a co-conspirator with Manning for receiving his information.

UPDATE: Fox News responded to the Rosen investigation in a statement to TVNewser:

“We are outraged to learn today that James Rosen was named a criminal co-conspirator for simply doing his job as a reporter. In fact, it is downright chilling. We will unequivocally defend his right to operate as a member of what up until now has always been a free press.”


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Accusing James Rosen of committing crimes - for basic reporting - may be the most dangerous thing the Obama DOJ has done yet

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Old 05-21-2013, 12:10 PM   #61
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Here's an article written by a reporter who read the Anne Marimow article and came to a similar conclusion about James Rosen and this leaker, Steven Kim.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...dChannel=11563

You have to wonder what was the motivation of this Kim fellow. I would not be surprised if Rosen was paying him, because they pretty much raced out the door of the State Department as soon as Kim and about 90 others sworn to secrecy received the top secret report that Kim leaked.

If Rosen was not paying Kim, Rosen really screwed him because he was motivated by the ambition of being first with the story and for some damn reason he decided he had to say that it was based on information gathered inside North Korea.

Now if that was a human intelligence asset, North Korea executes people on the spot. And if it was an electronic intercept, thanks a lot for compromising that.

You gotta love how stories get spun. Rosen is motivated by ambition and he totally screws our intelligence assets in North Korea and his leaker. I don't think it is a big deal that a reporter was called some name in a search warrant application affidavit. Especially when he is not indicted or prosecuted and he deserves to be called something much worse than a co-conspirator for what he did to everybody else involved.

I would really like to know if Rosen was paying Kim for info. If he wasn't then he seduced Kim into being a dupe and completely set him up for an easy investigation and prosecution, all because Rosen wanted to be first with a story and include information that he did not need to include.
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Old 05-21-2013, 12:15 PM   #62
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"It might look like an important story at first glance, but upon closer inspection: Obama #1."
Looks like you refuse to pay more than a first glance to a story that you call important.

Go ahead and do your closer inspection, and tell us what you think about it.
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Old 05-21-2013, 12:19 PM   #63
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Looks like you refuse to pay more than a first glance to a story that you call important.

Go ahead and do your closer inspection, and tell us what you think about it.
No thanks. You go ahead and do what you like.
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Old 05-21-2013, 12:21 PM   #64
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I don't think it's all that complicated. Keep trying to figure it out, and if you're still having trouble this afternoon let me know.
I don't think we need any more discussion on your silly post.

But you criticized me for my initial take on this story before I even read the Anne Marimow article and the Jack Shafer article and I am inviting you to explain why you disagree with what I wrote then, or, after I read those articles.
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No thanks. You go ahead and do what you like.
Wow.
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Wow.
I would have at least double wow'd it, or you could have used something to show emotion.
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I would have at least double wow'd it, or you could have used something to show emotion.
How about?

I posted with a little skepticism regards the brouhaha.

Blaise was little smarty-pants.

I read up and asked Blaise what he thought.

Blaise got scared and took off like he had turpentine up his azz.

Journalists and planeteers everywhere were disappointed by Blaise.
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How about?

I posted with a little skepticism regards the brouhaha.

Blaise was little smarty-pants.

I read up and asked Blaise what he thought.

Blaise got scared and took off like he had turpentine up his azz.

Journalists and planeteers everywhere were disappointed by Blaise.
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How about?

I posted with a little skepticism regards the brouhaha.

Blaise was little smarty-pants.

I read up and asked Blaise what he thought.

Blaise got scared and took off like he had turpentine up his azz.

Journalists and planeteers everywhere were disappointed by Blaise.
Isn't your touchdown dance just a little premature? Turns out the person you put so much faith in the original article has disgraced herself before.


http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2013/01/07...r-at-washpost/

Ann Marimow Shills for Disgraced Fast and Furious Lawyer at WashPost

"Behold the Washington Post’s Ann Marimow shilling for disgraced Justice Department lawyer Jason Weinstien – one of the few to suffer any consequences for the murderous Fast and Furious scandal (italics are all mine; editorializing is all Marimow’s):

Although Weinstein had no role in devising the tactics and had no supervisory authority over Fast and Furious, he had signed documents that helped the agents proceed with their operation.

On Capitol Hill, the investigation had taken on predictable and in*trac*table political dynamics. Democrats concluded that no high-level officials at the Justice Department, including Weinstein, were to blame for the “gun-walking” scheme; Republicans accused Weinstein of knowingly abetting the flawed operation.

Weinstien was the Deputy Assistant Attorney General who resigned because of his role in preparing false statements to Congress and overseeing aspects of the bloody gun running mess concocted by the Holder Justice Department. But that doesn’t matter, you see, to the Washington Post, because Weinstein is smart.

Weinstein came to Washington as a teenager in 1982 to compete in the National Spelling Bee, having won the regional championship in San Antonio. The son of a hospital administrator and a nurse, he was a high achiever from the get-go. He also was captain of the math and debate teams in high school. Then he was off to Princeton, where he became student body president and led campaigns to build a new student center. . . . Weinstein — a brilliant student, gifted lawyer and methodical prosecutor — had spent a career steeped in nuance.

But smarts aren’t the only reason the Washington Post and Marimow heap so much praise on Weinstein, there are more predictable reasons. He did what the Post also did through much of the 1970′s - wage a campaign against the CIA. Weinstein campaigned “to stop the Central Intelligence Agency from recruiting on campus until it changed its policy that prevented gays and lesbians from being hired.”

There is no better and faster way to earn credibility among Marimow’s crowd than bashing the CIA, except maybe bashing George W. Bush.

Ann Marimow

Marimow never places a bit of blame on Weinstein. Instead we are served up excuses, and potato skins.

At the Elephant and Castle pub across Pennsylvania Avenue from the Justice Department, about 75 former co-workers gathered one brisk evening days after Thanksgiving to toast Weinstein. Breuer served as master of ceremonies, several in attendance said.

As guests munched on potato skins and wings at a cash bar, there were lengthy, upbeat tributes to Weinstein’s work.

Many of Weinstein’s former colleagues — federal law enforcement agents, prosecutors and other lawyers — say they are distraught about his public-service career being cut short. The portrayal of Weinstein on the Hill and in the inspector general report is at odds with the person they know.

“This bears no resemblance to the Jason that I know and what he would have done and what I’ve seen him do over and over again,” said Assistant U.S. Attorney Andrea Smith, who prosecuted a notorious hitman with Weinstein in Baltimore. “He’s one of those people who instinctively always knows right from wrong.”

After he resigned, it took Weinstein two weeks to return e-mails and phone messages from former colleagues. He took the time to clean out the garage and get a haircut. He’s looking for a job.

“In a thousand years, you don’t expect this phase of your career to end this way,” Weinstein said. “But there’s a badge of honor for surviving these things, and I’m determined to earn it.”

I’ll leave someone like Fast and Furious guru Katie Pavlich to detail the extent of the lies in Marimow’s story. (Hey Ann, did you call Katie or ANY other expert source to get an opposing view?) But today’s Post gives you a fresh example how the left protects their own inside the beltway. And any of you spending a red cent on the Washington Post are helping them do it."



Oh and your second source is an opinion peice based on the shill above. You also failed to mention what he said from your article. There is nothing wrong with asking questions, that's what reporters do but to pass off both these opinion peices, one being a shill for someone who got caught in the Fast & Furious scandal, as your reason for justification, really deserves a major


"Just open your Twitter feed and listen to the Washington press corps howl about the Obama administration's latest intrusion into their business.

From the mainstream we hear the grousing of Washington Post National Political Editor Steven Ginsberg, Washington reporter John Solomon and the Associated Press's Matt Apuzzo. From the partisan corners come the protests of the Daily Caller's Tucker Carlson, the New Yorker's Ryan Lizza, Fox News Channel's Brit Hume, the Guardian's Glenn Greenwald and the chronically underemployed Keith Olbermann.

All deplore, in vociferous terms, the excesses of a Department of Justice leak investigation that has criminalized the reporting of Fox News Channel's James Rosen.

While I join this chorus of rage, I also wonder how much of Rosen's trouble is of his own making. Did Rosen get caught and get his source in trouble because he practiced poor journalistic tradecraft?.....................(Jack Shafer is a Reuters columnist but his opinions are his own.)"
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Isn't your touchdown dance just a little premature? Turns out the person you put so much faith in the original article has disgraced herself before.


http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2013/01/07...r-at-washpost/

Ann Marimow Shills for Disgraced Fast and Furious Lawyer at WashPost

"Behold the Washington Post’s Ann Marimow shilling for disgraced Justice Department lawyer Jason Weinstien – one of the few to suffer any consequences for the murderous Fast and Furious scandal (italics are all mine; editorializing is all Marimow’s):

Although Weinstein had no role in devising the tactics and had no supervisory authority over Fast and Furious, he had signed documents that helped the agents proceed with their operation.

On Capitol Hill, the investigation had taken on predictable and in*trac*table political dynamics. Democrats concluded that no high-level officials at the Justice Department, including Weinstein, were to blame for the “gun-walking” scheme; Republicans accused Weinstein of knowingly abetting the flawed operation.

Weinstien was the Deputy Assistant Attorney General who resigned because of his role in preparing false statements to Congress and overseeing aspects of the bloody gun running mess concocted by the Holder Justice Department. But that doesn’t matter, you see, to the Washington Post, because Weinstein is smart.

Weinstein came to Washington as a teenager in 1982 to compete in the National Spelling Bee, having won the regional championship in San Antonio. The son of a hospital administrator and a nurse, he was a high achiever from the get-go. He also was captain of the math and debate teams in high school. Then he was off to Princeton, where he became student body president and led campaigns to build a new student center. . . . Weinstein — a brilliant student, gifted lawyer and methodical prosecutor — had spent a career steeped in nuance.

But smarts aren’t the only reason the Washington Post and Marimow heap so much praise on Weinstein, there are more predictable reasons. He did what the Post also did through much of the 1970′s - wage a campaign against the CIA. Weinstein campaigned “to stop the Central Intelligence Agency from recruiting on campus until it changed its policy that prevented gays and lesbians from being hired.”

There is no better and faster way to earn credibility among Marimow’s crowd than bashing the CIA, except maybe bashing George W. Bush.

Ann Marimow

Marimow never places a bit of blame on Weinstein. Instead we are served up excuses, and potato skins.

At the Elephant and Castle pub across Pennsylvania Avenue from the Justice Department, about 75 former co-workers gathered one brisk evening days after Thanksgiving to toast Weinstein. Breuer served as master of ceremonies, several in attendance said.

As guests munched on potato skins and wings at a cash bar, there were lengthy, upbeat tributes to Weinstein’s work.

Many of Weinstein’s former colleagues — federal law enforcement agents, prosecutors and other lawyers — say they are distraught about his public-service career being cut short. The portrayal of Weinstein on the Hill and in the inspector general report is at odds with the person they know.

“This bears no resemblance to the Jason that I know and what he would have done and what I’ve seen him do over and over again,” said Assistant U.S. Attorney Andrea Smith, who prosecuted a notorious hitman with Weinstein in Baltimore. “He’s one of those people who instinctively always knows right from wrong.”

After he resigned, it took Weinstein two weeks to return e-mails and phone messages from former colleagues. He took the time to clean out the garage and get a haircut. He’s looking for a job.

“In a thousand years, you don’t expect this phase of your career to end this way,” Weinstein said. “But there’s a badge of honor for surviving these things, and I’m determined to earn it.”

I’ll leave someone like Fast and Furious guru Katie Pavlich to detail the extent of the lies in Marimow’s story. (Hey Ann, did you call Katie or ANY other expert source to get an opposing view?) But today’s Post gives you a fresh example how the left protects their own inside the beltway. And any of you spending a red cent on the Washington Post are helping them do it."



Oh and your second source is an opinion peice based on the shill above. You also failed to mention what he said from your article. There is nothing wrong with asking questions, that's what reporters do but to pass off both these opinion peices, one being a shill for someone who got caught in the Fast & Furious scandal, as your reason for justification, really deserves a major


"Just open your Twitter feed and listen to the Washington press corps howl about the Obama administration's latest intrusion into their business.

From the mainstream we hear the grousing of Washington Post National Political Editor Steven Ginsberg, Washington reporter John Solomon and the Associated Press's Matt Apuzzo. From the partisan corners come the protests of the Daily Caller's Tucker Carlson, the New Yorker's Ryan Lizza, Fox News Channel's Brit Hume, the Guardian's Glenn Greenwald and the chronically underemployed Keith Olbermann.

All deplore, in vociferous terms, the excesses of a Department of Justice leak investigation that has criminalized the reporting of Fox News Channel's James Rosen.

While I join this chorus of rage, I also wonder how much of Rosen's trouble is of his own making. Did Rosen get caught and get his source in trouble because he practiced poor journalistic tradecraft?.....................(Jack Shafer is a Reuters columnist but his opinions are his own.)"
Maybe you do not realize that the article that broke this story regards Rosen was by this journalist, Anne Marimow.

It was like she wrote this story, and everybody picked up on it and used it as a source piece from which to express outrage.

Her story "facts" are attributions to the court documents. So in some sense they are sworn to by the investigators but not cross-examined or determined in court, but it is not as if she is writing as a witness and not a reporter.

You seem to be saying that because some opinionated guy criticized her for wriiting an article about this guy that lost his job over Fast & Furious that she does not follow journalistic standards.

Why don't you link that article that your hero is criticizing?

Anyway. I am not sure why you want to attack her journalist credentials because some partisan writer is mad at her for writing her article instead of the editorial he wanted to write. Especially when she is the one who broke this story that you are trying to make hay out of.
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Maybe you do not realize that the article that broke this story regards Rosen was by this journalist, Anne Marimow.

It was like she wrote this story, and everybody picked up on it and used it as a source piece from which to express outrage.

Her story "facts" are attributions to the court documents. So in some sense they are sworn to by the investigators but not cross-examined or determined in court, but it is not as if she is writing as a witness and not a reporter.

You seem to be saying that because some opinionated guy criticized her for wriiting an article about this guy that lost his job over Fast & Furious that she does not follow journalistic standards.

Why don't you link that article that your hero is criticizing?

Anyway. I am not sure why you want to attack her journalist credentials because some partisan writer is mad at her for writing her article instead of the editorial he wanted to write. Especially when she is the one who broke this story that you are trying to make hay out of.
She is a known shill, that's all we need to know about her credibility.

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She is a known shill, that's all we need to know about her credibility.

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Here is a link to the article that your brainbender was referring to:

http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2...weinstein-guns

It is in the Lifestyle section and is something of a human interest puff piece. It is sympathetic to the guy, but seems to me that she attributes sources on most of the factual claims.

When did she become a known shill to you and who was she shilling for when she broke this story about this Kim leak case?

How would you classify this pjmedia.com website that you quote?
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Old 05-21-2013, 02:40 PM   #73
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Here is a link to the article that your brainbender was referring to:

http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2...weinstein-guns

It is in the Lifestyle section and is something of a human interest puff piece. It is sympathetic to the guy, but seems to me that she attributes sources on most of the factual claims.

When did she become a known shill to you and who was she shilling for when she broke this story about this Kim leak case?

How would you classify this pjmedia.com website that you quote?
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Old 05-21-2013, 02:47 PM   #74
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Maybe you ought to ask the mods to take down the thread because you think it is based on a false partisan story intended to make the Obama administration look good.

I am not sure why most of the posters in the thread drew a first impression that it reflected badly on the DOJ and the administration. Maybe their mind is not wired as good as pjmedia.com wired yours.
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Old 05-21-2013, 02:50 PM   #75
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