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Old 05-22-2013, 07:54 AM  
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Why was there NO basement in that Oklahoma public school?

Professor Tom DiLorenzo hits the nail on the head why:



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In one of my earlier books I cited former New York City Mayor Ed Koch explaining why the city's "infrastructure" (sewer and water lines, bridges and roads, etc.) always seemed to be long overdue for maintenance and rebuilding: "It's hard to hold a ribbon-cutting ceremony for a new sewer line," said the mayor.

Government turns everything it touches into crap, and economics provides numerous explanations why. In this case, Mayor Koch hit the nail on the head: Politicians like himself will always spend taxpayers' money in a way that enhaces THEIR popularity and maximizes THEIR chances for re-election. There are orders of magnitude more votes to be had in handing out welfare benefits or lavish public employee pensions than in replacing leaky water lines. Public employees are well organized politically; the average taxpaying citizens are not.

As for Oklahoma City, news reports are that there was not an underground basement in that public school where nine children died during the tornado. An explanation is that when it comes to spending money on "schools," broadly defined, there are many, many more votes and campaign contributions to be had by spending the money on increased public school teacher and administrator salaries and pensions than on school building basements. Teachers' unions are famously well organized politically; average taxpayers are not. Putting a basement in a new school building will not motivate government school teachers to spend thousands of hours campaigning and driving voters to the polls in school buses. Promises of pay and pension increases will.
Don't be fooled by Prog claims they're looking out for your children or your interests. They are for lining their own pockets first. Whether it's for more bureaucratic jobs with pensions, pay increases or otherwise. This is why they see "greed" in businessmen primarily. They suffer from greed themselves. A Me First attitude.

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Old 05-22-2013, 01:16 PM   #61
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Yes, but how will they know what part will get taken out next? It's not predictable.
I am just talking about more preparedness to save lives.
And I'm trying to make the point that when the risk is so low in terms of probability, it's not cost effective to protect against it everywhere.

Think of clean water for example. We all want clean water, but no matter how clean we require our water to be, there will still be contaminants. The democrats constantly want to require ever higher standards of clean water no matter how much it costs industry and taxpayers to achieve them. They point out that those contaminants can lead to horrible conditions (e.g. cancer) and they gloss over the fact that only a tiny fraction of the population will ever be impacted. At some point, as economists like Thomas Sowell and Walter Williams like to point out, you reach a point of diminishing returns and to go beyond that point will cause more damage (to the economy) than benefit (to the small number of people saved from the health risk).
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Old 05-22-2013, 01:18 PM   #62
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And I'm trying to make the point that when the risk is so low in terms of probability, it's not cost effective to protect against it everywhere.
I get the point your making. I just don't think the risk is that low in that area....and the fact that many private individuals made more plans to prepare since the last tornado, after its history, seems to bear that out. Govts usually lag behind such trends. Ultimately, it's up to the people who vote there to decide, including having a ribbon cutting ceremony over it should they decide.
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Old 05-22-2013, 01:20 PM   #63
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I get the point your making. I just don't think the risk is that low in that area....and the fact that many private individuals made more plans to prepare since the last tornado, after its history, seems to bear that out. Govts usually lag behind such trends. Ultimately, it's up to the people who vote there to decide, including having a ribbon cutting ceremony over it should they decide.
Agree.
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Old 05-22-2013, 01:21 PM   #64
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You still omitted the politicians.
I think you know from past conversations I'm sick of teachers somehow always being "attached" to so many of our problems...the politicians are on their own deservedly.
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Old 05-22-2013, 01:22 PM   #65
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Agree.
Thank you.

Only you forgot to bold this part too: "Govts usually lag behind such trends."
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Old 05-22-2013, 01:23 PM   #66
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I would agree that money in the hands of politicians is going to be spent "politically." That's the nature of the beast and that's one of the reasons that I consider government to be, for lack of a better term, inherently evil. Unfortunately it seems to be a necessary evil and this incident seems to be a poor example of Dilorenzo's point. Teachers don't appear to be overpaid in Oklahoma, the area doesn't appear to be well prepared for tornado strikes in general and there doesn't appear to be a lot of "pork" to cut.
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Old 05-22-2013, 01:25 PM   #67
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I think you know from past conversations I'm sick of teachers somehow always being "attached" to so many of our problems...the politicians are on their own deservedly.
I don't know what "so many" is of those problems. I think, however, when people leave their kids with them for most of the day most days of the week, their impact can't be slight.

I prefer to just say "govt schools" as it's the system. Obviously, there are teachers that aren't in that system as well. The article does say "govt school teachers."
Other than that, I think this is a personal thing with you.
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I would agree that money in the hands of politicians is going to be spent "politically." That's the nature of the beast and that's one of the reasons that I consider government to be, for lack of a better term, inherently evil. Unfortunately it seems to be a necessary evil and this incident seems to be a poor example of Dilorenzo's point. Teachers don't appear to be overpaid in Oklahoma, the area doesn't appear to be well prepared for tornado strikes in general and there doesn't appear to be a lot of "pork" to cut.
...and with that being a fairly old school, does anyone know what dynamics were at play when they built the school; could have been a fairly sparse population at the time and couldn't muster the expenses of a basement or "safe room"...or a myriad of other issues.
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Thank you.

Only you forgot to bold this part too: "Govts usually lag behind such trends."
My bad. I agree with that part too.
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I would agree that money in the hands of politicians is going to be spent "politically." That's the nature of the beast and that's one of the reasons that I consider government to be, for lack of a better term, inherently evil. Unfortunately it seems to be a necessary evil and this incident seems to be a poor example of Dilorenzo's point. Teachers don't appear to be overpaid in Oklahoma, the area doesn't appear to be well prepared for tornado strikes in general and there doesn't appear to be a lot of "pork" to cut.
To a degree you're right. He does say "schools" broadly defined though.

And still, I think this part is correct: "Putting a basement in a new school building will not motivate government school teachers to spend thousands of hours campaigning and driving voters to the polls in school buses. Promises of pay and pension increases will." They may not do this there, because Okla is a conservative state. But no govt is really able to do a great job generally.
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I don't know what "so many" is of those problems. I think, however, when people leave their kids with them for most of the day most days of the week, their impact can't be slight.

I prefer to just say "govt schools" as it's the system. Obviously, there are teachers that aren't in that system as well. The article does say "govt school teachers."
Other than that, I think this is a personal thing with you.
If you stop and think about it, you can come up with quite a list...teachers seem to be more responsible for kids than the parents nowadays.

Do these parents hold any responsibility for sending their kids to a school with improper protection in a tornado alley?
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...and with that being a fairly old school, does anyone know what dynamics were at play when they built the school; could have been a fairly sparse population at the time and couldn't muster the expenses of a basement or "safe room"...or a myriad of other issues.
I conceded earlier that I didn't know that was an old school. I thought it was one that was rebuilt.
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If you stop and think about it, you can come up with quite a list...teachers seem to be more responsible for kids than the parents nowadays.
Well, ya' know what, I actually think the left wants it that way. Why would so many from the left be in that system these days.

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Do these parents hold any responsibility for sending their kids to a school with improper protection in a tornado alley?
Government can be defined as the aggregate irresponsibility of the people. The more we get, the less people are willing to be responsible. So like I said, it's ultimately up to the voters in that area to demand more shelter and part with the money for these. Or hold a fundraiser. Something.

I took out the part where diLorenzo says...but "keep sending your kids to public schools," because I thought that would create more rage.
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If you stop and think about it, you can come up with quite a list...teachers seem to be more responsible for kids than the parents nowadays.

Do these parents hold any responsibility for sending their kids to a school with improper protection in a tornado alley?
BEP posted a pic of a community shelter for a trailer park earlier. Looks like a fairly simple structure that could be easily erected on existing land, like a school property. I would put blame on the local residents for not trying to get these structures built at every school before I'd blame teachers for collecting their paychecks or campaigning for better benefits.
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Honestly, this reminds me of a quote attributed to Eleanor Roosevelt:

"It's better to light a candle than curse the darkness."
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