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Old 05-23-2013, 11:02 AM  
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Camera Suggestions?

Ok;

so the wife and I are in the market for a camera. We previously had a Sony digital camera for about 10 years but the wife dropped it and now it won't hold any settings etc.

So, it's time for another one. I'm by no means a professional photographer; but I also don't want some little $100 POS either. I'd like to have one that I could 'grow' into if I wanted to so to speak.

I think My budget is about $400-$600. I was looking at the Nikon D3200 DSLR....though, admittedly, I'm not 100% what "DSLR" is.
I like the design of it; I've held a few like it and they're much easier to hold IMO.

Suggestions?
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Old 07-26-2013, 07:43 AM   #181
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My main use for it will be shooting inside - gymnastics events where lighting is usually decent, but not always. I was concerned with the f/4-5.6 value in regards to that. He claimed it would be fine because (his words) if you use a f value of 2.8, then usually only part of the person will be in focus and not the entire subject. But if I use 4 or over, the entire person would be in focus. I have no idea if that's true.

Also, its just a local shop and they don't have an online presence AFAIK.
He's basically right on the depth of field, but he's not really educated. The further away from the subject you are the more depth you have. For instance: if you're shooting at f/2.8 with a 100mm lens and your 10 feet away, you've only got about 4 inches of pure focus. But if you're 50 feet away, you've got a little over 8 feet. The higher the f-stop, the more wiggle room you have. At f/4 at 50 feet you have almost 12 feet of focus.

Here's the basics on depth of field, if you care to read up more: http://www.exposureguide.com/focusing-basics.htm

And here's a handy-dandy DOF calculator, if you're interested: http://www.dofmaster.com/dofjs.html

The issue with light (and just because you think it's fairly well lit doesn't mean your camera agrees) is you'll need to crank up the shutter speed to at least 1/250th of a second to even come close to stopping the action, and you'll be a lot better off if you can get it to 1/500th. In order to get that kind of shutter speed indoors, you'll need two of the following: good lighting, low f-stop, or high ISO.
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Old 07-26-2013, 09:02 AM   #182
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My main use for it will be shooting inside - gymnastics events where lighting is usually decent, but not always. I was concerned with the f/4-5.6 value in regards to that. He claimed it would be fine because (his words) if you use a f value of 2.8, then usually only part of the person will be in focus and not the entire subject. But if I use 4 or over, the entire person would be in focus. I have no idea if that's true.

Also, its just a local shop and they don't have an online presence AFAIK.
He's an idiot and a salesman! After years of shooting sports, a short depth of field is usually desired anyway. Still a good deal and 4.5 will prolly be just fine...
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Old 07-27-2013, 03:57 PM   #183
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He's an idiot and a salesman! After years of shooting sports, a short depth of field is usually desired anyway. Still a good deal and 4.5 will prolly be just fine...
Every NFL game I shoot this year will be at 2.8 unless it's a close up group shot.

2.8 is where all sports photographers live.
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Old 07-27-2013, 07:22 PM   #184
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Every NFL game I shoot this year will be at 2.8 unless it's a close up group shot.

2.8 is where all sports photographers live.
EXACTLY... People often ask how "pho-togz" seemingly get so much better pics with pretty-much the same relative hardware, and these are the little tricks, and they're aren't mind-blowing, that are the difference between a snap-shot and a photograph.

Like you, I've been doing this for a while, Since the 80s in my case, made it through film to today's platforms, thought it and love it. I still love a lot of things about film too!!! But more than anything, I love passing along what I've learned. Be it shooting plates from a submarines periscope to 110 (LOL!!). Hell I even taught black-and-white theory in the 80s! But nowadays I love handing my cameras to mothers and kids at these events and letting them give it a try. Most worry at first, then they just have fun. After that, I setup the camera for the shot, give them a rule of 3rd's lesson, and let it go. And they love it. And i love their perspective. Some buy their own gear, others just have a memory of what it was like to shoot 5fps, and that's cool too.

So alas, keep capturing the moments and sharing as appropriate... Most are good moments....

Enjoy my friend...
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Old 07-27-2013, 07:54 PM   #185
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EXACTLY... People often ask how "pho-togz" seemingly get so much better pics with pretty-much the same relative hardware, and these are the little tricks, and they're aren't mind-blowing, that are the difference between a snap-shot and a photograph.

Like you, I've been doing this for a while, Since the 80s in my case, made it through film to today's platforms, thought it and love it. I still love a lot of things about film too!!! But more than anything, I love passing along what I've learned. Be it shooting plates from a submarines periscope to 110 (LOL!!). Hell I even taught black-and-white theory in the 80s! But nowadays I love handing my cameras to mothers and kids at these events and letting them give it a try. Most worry at first, then they just have fun. After that, I setup the camera for the shot, give them a rule of 3rd's lesson, and let it go. And they love it. And i love their perspective. Some buy their own gear, others just have a memory of what it was like to shoot 5fps, and that's cool too.

So alas, keep capturing the moments and sharing as appropriate... Most are good moments....

Enjoy my friend...
Any tips/tricks suggestions on food photography?
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Old 07-27-2013, 08:16 PM   #186
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Any tips/tricks suggestions on food photography?
Soft box, umbrellas and direct flash.

Photography is the easy part on food.

Food styling is everything.
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Old 07-27-2013, 10:28 PM   #187
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First, get into Playboy's or Penthouse's intern programs....

Second, Public libraries have books and YouTube has videos on lighting. "Light" is photography, learning a little will affect the outcome a LOT. If you want to grasp light, buy a hand-help light meter and have use it for a while. If you can "go manual" using a light meter and get the results you want, you're well on your way to awesomeness.

Third, YouTube depth-of-field and "circles of confusion". It's amazing and the process will "show" you what SOOOOO many thought was magic. If it really piques your interests, you might take that path a little farther and read-up on lens design and how various grinds work.

Fourth, learn to shoot silhouettes. Pretty cool effect, plays off of #2 a lot, and will, hopefully, start you on the path to loving the most awesome medium - black-and-white... Wait, that's just my opinion! But anywhay, have fun with silhouettes...

Fifth, if you're married, you might want to never admit how much you really spent on stuff they're sure you don't need...

Sixth, get a great printer with archival ink...

Seventh, learn how to clean a lens and digital sensor really well. A clean lens is to a photographer what a clean dick is to a porn star...

Eighth, a great flash is a great flash. And a great flash isn't cheap...
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Old 07-31-2013, 01:32 PM   #188
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He's an idiot and a salesman! After years of shooting sports, a short depth of field is usually desired anyway. Still a good deal and 4.5 will prolly be just fine...
I didn't end up getting the lens. I did end up talking to a photographer that was working the conference I was attending. The advice she gave me: "Get a decent external flash...it'll be the best $100 you spend."

And I think I have my mind set on this lens (I think someone mentioned it earlier in this thread): http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produc...2_8_EX_DG.html
It's $1K less than the comparable lenses from Canon.
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I didn't end up getting the lens. I did end up talking to a photographer that was working the conference I was attending. The advice she gave me: "Get a decent external flash...it'll be the best $100 you spend."

And I think I have my mind set on this lens (I think someone mentioned it earlier in this thread): http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produc...2_8_EX_DG.html
It's $1K less than the comparable lenses from Canon.

100.00 dollars my ass.

Try 400.00. Get the name brand Nikon, Cannon, etc. so the dedicated TTL will work right.
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100.00 dollars my ass.

Try 400.00. Get the name brand Nikon, Cannon, etc. so the dedicated TTL will work right.
Yeah. Get a name brand Canon Speedlite, and what you're doing will be $300-$400.

And FYI, using a flash at sporting events is usually a no-no. It can distract the athlete.
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Old 07-31-2013, 07:07 PM   #191
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100.00 dollars my ass.

Try 400.00. Get the name brand Nikon, Cannon, etc. so the dedicated TTL will work right.
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Yeah. Get a name brand Canon Speedlite, and what you're doing will be $300-$400.

And FYI, using a flash at sporting events is usually a no-no. It can distract the athlete.
Ouch...I doubt I need one that good. And yeah, no flash photography at my daughters' gymnastics events.
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I didn't end up getting the lens. I did end up talking to a photographer that was working the conference I was attending. The advice she gave me: "Get a decent external flash...it'll be the best $100 you spend."

And I think I have my mind set on this lens (I think someone mentioned it earlier in this thread): http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produc...2_8_EX_DG.html
It's $1K less than the comparable lenses from Canon.
You will love that lens....

And I've read ahead, and I totally agree that $100 for a flash that'll not make you made isn't an option... $300-$400, and it'll be some of the best camera coin you'll ever spend.

Simply said, light and lenses make the picture, so the body isn't unimportant, but you might find you own the lenses and flashes a lot longer than the bodies..
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100.00 dollars my ass.

Try 400.00. Get the name brand Nikon, Cannon, etc. so the dedicated TTL will work right.
This..... Not much money to be saved here, and the one time you want to match brands...
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Yeah. Get a name brand Canon Speedlite, and what you're doing will be $300-$400.

And FYI, using a flash at sporting events is usually a no-no. It can distract the athlete.
But.....if you're shooting pics of the Bronco's QB, stobe to your heart's content. Blind the bass-turd!
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