Home Mail MemberMap Chat (0) Wallpapers
Go Back   ChiefsPlanet > The Ed & Dave Lounge > D.C.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 05-24-2013, 10:19 PM  
patteeu patteeu is offline
The 23rd Pillar
 
patteeu's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Casino cash: $5000
Does welfare cause terrorism?

Mickey Kaus asks the question:
Does welfare cause terrorism?
Mickey Kaus
5/23/2013

How long before we find out that “alleged” Woolwich murderer Michael Adebolajo was on some kind of welfare? Or else his household was on welfare. The Tsarnaevs received various kinds of welfare too, of course, as have numerous other terrorists. This is not a coincidence:

“In fact, there’s a good argument that “welfare benefits + ethnic antagonism” is the universal recipe for an underclass with an angry, oppositional culture. The social logic is simple: Ethnic differences make it easy for those outside of, for example, French Arab neighborhoods to discriminate against those inside, and easy for those inside to resent the mainstream culture around them. Meanwhile, relatively generous welfare benefits enable those in the ethnic ghetto to stay there, stay unemployed, and seethe. Without government subsidies, they would have to overcome the prejudice against them and integrate into the mainstream working culture. Work, in this sense, is anti-terrorist medicine. (And if you work all day, there’s less time to dream up ways and reasons to kill infidels.)”

If Adebolajo turns out to have earned his own living, I’ll be surprised and chastened. Will post update in this space. …
Posts: 75,744
patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 05-25-2013, 08:58 AM   #31
BigChiefTablet BigChiefTablet is offline
Veteran
 

Join Date: Oct 2010
Casino cash: $5682
I don't know about terrorism, I haven't really looked into it. But there is a side effect of a whole new class of criminal.

My buddy is a defense attorney and was once a public defender. Basically, he maintains that a lot of the criminal cases he defended come from this new class, where they have access to welfare money through girlfriends, mothers of their children, etc. It's not enough to live on, but it's enough to live on if they get out and hustle. And by hustle I don't mean hurry to a job.

So it has created an entire class of criminal that is being partially subsidized by the taxpayers. And it is very prevalent.

Last edited by BigChiefTablet; 05-25-2013 at 10:25 AM..
Posts: 1,913
BigChiefTablet 's adopt a chief was Sabby PiscitelliBigChiefTablet 's adopt a chief was Sabby PiscitelliBigChiefTablet 's adopt a chief was Sabby PiscitelliBigChiefTablet 's adopt a chief was Sabby PiscitelliBigChiefTablet 's adopt a chief was Sabby PiscitelliBigChiefTablet 's adopt a chief was Sabby PiscitelliBigChiefTablet 's adopt a chief was Sabby PiscitelliBigChiefTablet 's adopt a chief was Sabby PiscitelliBigChiefTablet 's adopt a chief was Sabby PiscitelliBigChiefTablet 's adopt a chief was Sabby PiscitelliBigChiefTablet 's adopt a chief was Sabby Piscitelli
  Reply With Quote
Old 05-25-2013, 10:38 AM   #32
patteeu patteeu is offline
The 23rd Pillar
 
patteeu's Avatar
 

Join Date: Sep 2002
Casino cash: $5000
Quote:
Originally Posted by Saul Good View Post
Seems like people have a tendency to cavalierly dismiss a theory that is always right just because it doesn't fit their own paradigm.
Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins View Post
The problem with the author's assertion is that he tries to shoehorn "welfare" as a boogeyman into this discussion, and it's not relevant. Welfare systems tend to pacify disadvantaged populations, not radicalize them.
Speak of the devil.
__________________


"I'll see you guys in New York." ISIS Caliph Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi to US military personnel upon his release from US custody at Camp Bucca in Iraq during Obama's first year in office.
Posts: 75,744
patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 05-25-2013, 10:40 AM   #33
patteeu patteeu is offline
The 23rd Pillar
 
patteeu's Avatar
 

Join Date: Sep 2002
Casino cash: $5000
Quote:
Originally Posted by Loneiguana View Post
More lies by Republicans.
While I don't think Mickey Kaus is a member of either political party, he is a liberal who supported Hillary Clinton in 2008.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Loneiguana View Post
Why don't we see more White people commit terrorist acts? 38.8 percent of all welfare goes to white people in America? That is the second larges behind African American's and 39.8 percent. Only 3.3 percent of Welfare people are neither white, black, Asian, or Hispanic.
The Boston Marathon bombing was committed by white people. For that matter, the hijackers on 9/11 were white too.

More fail by Loneiguana.
__________________


"I'll see you guys in New York." ISIS Caliph Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi to US military personnel upon his release from US custody at Camp Bucca in Iraq during Obama's first year in office.
Posts: 75,744
patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 05-25-2013, 10:52 AM   #34
KILLER_CLOWN KILLER_CLOWN is offline
Be HEALED!!!!!!!
 
KILLER_CLOWN's Avatar
 

Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Fascist State
Casino cash: $5150
These left/right hate threads are hilarious.
__________________
"Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father ... And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity."

"If the people let government decide what foods they eat and what medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as are the souls of those who live under tyranny." - Thomas Jefferson
Posts: 24,196
KILLER_CLOWN is obviously part of the inner Circle.KILLER_CLOWN is obviously part of the inner Circle.KILLER_CLOWN is obviously part of the inner Circle.KILLER_CLOWN is obviously part of the inner Circle.KILLER_CLOWN is obviously part of the inner Circle.KILLER_CLOWN is obviously part of the inner Circle.KILLER_CLOWN is obviously part of the inner Circle.KILLER_CLOWN is obviously part of the inner Circle.KILLER_CLOWN is obviously part of the inner Circle.KILLER_CLOWN is obviously part of the inner Circle.KILLER_CLOWN is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 05-25-2013, 11:28 AM   #35
Fish Fish is offline
Missing Dick Curl
 
Fish's Avatar
 

Join Date: Sep 2005
Casino cash: $6915
Quote:
Originally Posted by patteeu View Post
Work, in this sense, is anti-terrorist medicine. (And if you work all day, there’s less time to dream up ways and reasons to kill infidels.)”
__________________
Posts: 25,806
Fish is obviously part of the inner Circle.Fish is obviously part of the inner Circle.Fish is obviously part of the inner Circle.Fish is obviously part of the inner Circle.Fish is obviously part of the inner Circle.Fish is obviously part of the inner Circle.Fish is obviously part of the inner Circle.Fish is obviously part of the inner Circle.Fish is obviously part of the inner Circle.Fish is obviously part of the inner Circle.Fish is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 05-25-2013, 11:32 AM   #36
'Hamas' Jenkins 'Hamas' Jenkins is offline
Fire Gary Pinkel
 
'Hamas' Jenkins's Avatar
 

Join Date: Jan 2006
Casino cash: $8666
Quote:
Originally Posted by patteeu View Post
Speak of the devil.
There was a time some years ago when you were actually somewhat of a thoughtful individual. What the hell happened to you?
__________________
Die, Steckel. Die.
Posts: 58,032
'Hamas' Jenkins is obviously part of the inner Circle.'Hamas' Jenkins is obviously part of the inner Circle.'Hamas' Jenkins is obviously part of the inner Circle.'Hamas' Jenkins is obviously part of the inner Circle.'Hamas' Jenkins is obviously part of the inner Circle.'Hamas' Jenkins is obviously part of the inner Circle.'Hamas' Jenkins is obviously part of the inner Circle.'Hamas' Jenkins is obviously part of the inner Circle.'Hamas' Jenkins is obviously part of the inner Circle.'Hamas' Jenkins is obviously part of the inner Circle.'Hamas' Jenkins is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 05-25-2013, 04:13 PM   #37
patteeu patteeu is offline
The 23rd Pillar
 
patteeu's Avatar
 

Join Date: Sep 2002
Casino cash: $5000
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dylan View Post
With all due respect. I only responded to the title of the thread.

To answer your second question - I did touch on Somalia. However, I suggest you look into Al-Shabaab and militia groups in the country.

Pakistan: I suggest you Google the Pakistani Taliban also known as Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan and Al Qaeda (who have global ambitions) based in Pakistan’s lawless northwest - demanding Sharia law.

In addition, you might want to look into FATA also known as the Federally Administered Tribal Areas bordering Afghanistan.

Yemen: is a safe haven for terrorists due to a weak government.

Your questions are ones that require more than one short answers.

Edit: Welfare does not cause terrorism.
I'm not sure why you want me to look into these third world terrorist groups.

The only question I asked was the article title.
__________________


"I'll see you guys in New York." ISIS Caliph Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi to US military personnel upon his release from US custody at Camp Bucca in Iraq during Obama's first year in office.
Posts: 75,744
patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 05-25-2013, 04:22 PM   #38
patteeu patteeu is offline
The 23rd Pillar
 
patteeu's Avatar
 

Join Date: Sep 2002
Casino cash: $5000
Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins View Post
There was a time some years ago when you were actually somewhat of a thoughtful individual. What the hell happened to you?
You did exactly what Saul Good described. You dismissed the Kaus theory because it didn't fit your paradigm for the causes of strife in a minority ghetto or for the impact of welfare.

I think it's possible that welfare can pacify, but I think it's also possible for welfare to retard assimilation. Those competing influences may have different impacts on different people/groups of people and on different types of strife. For example, welfare might tend to pacify when it comes property crime and violence associated with it because recipients aren't dirt poor and desperate. But I'm not sure it does anything to pacify violence triggered by personal antipathy, jealousy or revenge. Assimilation, on the other hand, might pacify that type of violence. I don't know that either of those theories are right, but I don't reject either of them out of hand.
__________________


"I'll see you guys in New York." ISIS Caliph Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi to US military personnel upon his release from US custody at Camp Bucca in Iraq during Obama's first year in office.
Posts: 75,744
patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 05-25-2013, 04:54 PM   #39
Backwards Masking Backwards Masking is offline
Bustle in your hedgerow?
 

Join Date: May 2011
Location: NOT Missouri
Casino cash: $5000
It's creative and psychological terrorism on responsible people that have the potential to do something great with their lives. The more money that's taken out of their pockets to support losers making losers, the less money the winners have to further their greatness.

Some people think welfare recipients should have mandatory drug tests before receiving a dime. I' m more in favor of mandatory sterilization.
Posts: 2,417
Backwards Masking is the dumbass Milkman is always talking aboutBackwards Masking is the dumbass Milkman is always talking aboutBackwards Masking is the dumbass Milkman is always talking aboutBackwards Masking is the dumbass Milkman is always talking aboutBackwards Masking is the dumbass Milkman is always talking aboutBackwards Masking is the dumbass Milkman is always talking aboutBackwards Masking is the dumbass Milkman is always talking aboutBackwards Masking is the dumbass Milkman is always talking aboutBackwards Masking is the dumbass Milkman is always talking aboutBackwards Masking is the dumbass Milkman is always talking aboutBackwards Masking is the dumbass Milkman is always talking about
  Reply With Quote
Old 05-25-2013, 09:01 PM   #40
Saul Good Saul Good is offline
Supporter
 

Join Date: Jul 2005
Casino cash: $6447
Quote:
Originally Posted by patteeu View Post
You did exactly what Saul Good described. You dismissed the Kaus theory because it didn't fit your paradigm for the causes of strife in a minority ghetto or for the impact of welfare.

I think it's possible that welfare can pacify, but I think it's also possible for welfare to retard assimilation. Those competing influences may have different impacts on different people/groups of people and on different types of strife. For example, welfare might tend to pacify when it comes property crime and violence associated with it because recipients aren't dirt poor and desperate. But I'm not sure it does anything to pacify violence triggered by personal antipathy, jealousy or revenge. Assimilation, on the other hand, might pacify that type of violence. I don't know that either of those theories are right, but I don't reject either of them out of hand.
This sounds like something a reasonable person would say.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by J Diddy View Post
Saul 2014
Posts: 30,673
Saul Good is obviously part of the inner Circle.Saul Good is obviously part of the inner Circle.Saul Good is obviously part of the inner Circle.Saul Good is obviously part of the inner Circle.Saul Good is obviously part of the inner Circle.Saul Good is obviously part of the inner Circle.Saul Good is obviously part of the inner Circle.Saul Good is obviously part of the inner Circle.Saul Good is obviously part of the inner Circle.Saul Good is obviously part of the inner Circle.Saul Good is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 05-25-2013, 09:09 PM   #41
'Hamas' Jenkins 'Hamas' Jenkins is offline
Fire Gary Pinkel
 
'Hamas' Jenkins's Avatar
 

Join Date: Jan 2006
Casino cash: $8666
Quote:
Originally Posted by patteeu View Post
You did exactly what Saul Good described. You dismissed the Kaus theory because it didn't fit your paradigm for the causes of strife in a minority ghetto or for the impact of welfare.

I think it's possible that welfare can pacify, but I think it's also possible for welfare to retard assimilation. Those competing influences may have different impacts on different people/groups of people and on different types of strife. For example, welfare might tend to pacify when it comes property crime and violence associated with it because recipients aren't dirt poor and desperate. But I'm not sure it does anything to pacify violence triggered by personal antipathy, jealousy or revenge. Assimilation, on the other hand, might pacify that type of violence. I don't know that either of those theories are right, but I don't reject either of them out of hand.
You are defining irony with your every post.

I dismissed it because it was an illogical statement absent of support. I mentioned nothing about the impact of welfare programs within ghettos or inner cities. You inferred that. My statements were all relative to welfare as pacification writ large. In fact, when I did briefly provide greater detail, I focused on foreign countries and insurgency. The mention of the inner city was neither expressed nor implied.

Have you ever considered that sometimes idiotic statements are dismissed not out of political bias, but due to the inherent idiocy of the statement itself?

I realize that's probably hard for you to grasp, as you have continually hold up icons and thoughts and beyond reproach (again, irony), then assail others when they problematize a vacuous idea.
__________________
Die, Steckel. Die.
Posts: 58,032
'Hamas' Jenkins is obviously part of the inner Circle.'Hamas' Jenkins is obviously part of the inner Circle.'Hamas' Jenkins is obviously part of the inner Circle.'Hamas' Jenkins is obviously part of the inner Circle.'Hamas' Jenkins is obviously part of the inner Circle.'Hamas' Jenkins is obviously part of the inner Circle.'Hamas' Jenkins is obviously part of the inner Circle.'Hamas' Jenkins is obviously part of the inner Circle.'Hamas' Jenkins is obviously part of the inner Circle.'Hamas' Jenkins is obviously part of the inner Circle.'Hamas' Jenkins is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 05-25-2013, 09:57 PM   #42
Dylan Dylan is offline
The Lede
 
Dylan's Avatar
 

Join Date: Aug 2007
Casino cash: $7420
Quote:
Originally Posted by patteeu View Post
I'm not sure why you want me to look into these third world terrorist groups.

The only question I asked was the article title.



Let's start again:

Quote:
Does welfare cause terrorism?
Absolutely not!


I never think "national"
__________________
Posts: 25,361
Dylan is obviously part of the inner Circle.Dylan is obviously part of the inner Circle.Dylan is obviously part of the inner Circle.Dylan is obviously part of the inner Circle.Dylan is obviously part of the inner Circle.Dylan is obviously part of the inner Circle.Dylan is obviously part of the inner Circle.Dylan is obviously part of the inner Circle.Dylan is obviously part of the inner Circle.Dylan is obviously part of the inner Circle.Dylan is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 05-25-2013, 10:01 PM   #43
dirk digler dirk digler is offline
Please squeeze
 
dirk digler's Avatar
 

Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Clinton, MO
Casino cash: $6605
Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins View Post
There was a time some years ago when you were actually somewhat of a thoughtful individual. What the hell happened to you?
B.C.?
Posts: 48,534
dirk digler 's phone was tapped by Scott Pioli.dirk digler 's phone was tapped by Scott Pioli.dirk digler 's phone was tapped by Scott Pioli.dirk digler 's phone was tapped by Scott Pioli.dirk digler 's phone was tapped by Scott Pioli.dirk digler 's phone was tapped by Scott Pioli.dirk digler 's phone was tapped by Scott Pioli.dirk digler 's phone was tapped by Scott Pioli.dirk digler 's phone was tapped by Scott Pioli.dirk digler 's phone was tapped by Scott Pioli.dirk digler 's phone was tapped by Scott Pioli.
  Reply With Quote
Old 05-25-2013, 10:34 PM   #44
J Diddy J Diddy is offline
One Groovy Cat
 
J Diddy's Avatar
 

Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: The Pitt State baby
Casino cash: $6709
Patteu,

shtsprayer thanks you. This is like porn to him and because of you he rubbed one off
Posts: 29,523
J Diddy is obviously part of the inner Circle.J Diddy is obviously part of the inner Circle.J Diddy is obviously part of the inner Circle.J Diddy is obviously part of the inner Circle.J Diddy is obviously part of the inner Circle.J Diddy is obviously part of the inner Circle.J Diddy is obviously part of the inner Circle.J Diddy is obviously part of the inner Circle.J Diddy is obviously part of the inner Circle.J Diddy is obviously part of the inner Circle.J Diddy is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 05-25-2013, 10:39 PM   #45
Backwards Masking Backwards Masking is offline
Bustle in your hedgerow?
 

Join Date: May 2011
Location: NOT Missouri
Casino cash: $5000
Quote:
Originally Posted by patteeu View Post
Work, in this sense, is anti-terrorist medicine. (And if you work all day, there’s less time to dream up ways and reasons to kill infidels.)”
This might be the dumbest presumption ever written in the history of time.
Posts: 2,417
Backwards Masking is the dumbass Milkman is always talking aboutBackwards Masking is the dumbass Milkman is always talking aboutBackwards Masking is the dumbass Milkman is always talking aboutBackwards Masking is the dumbass Milkman is always talking aboutBackwards Masking is the dumbass Milkman is always talking aboutBackwards Masking is the dumbass Milkman is always talking aboutBackwards Masking is the dumbass Milkman is always talking aboutBackwards Masking is the dumbass Milkman is always talking aboutBackwards Masking is the dumbass Milkman is always talking aboutBackwards Masking is the dumbass Milkman is always talking aboutBackwards Masking is the dumbass Milkman is always talking about
  Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump




All times are GMT -6. The time now is 11:04 PM.


This is a test for a client's site.
A new website that shows member-created construction site listings that need fill or have excess fill. Dirt Monkey @ https://DirtMonkey.net
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.