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Old 05-25-2013, 09:50 PM  
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Pope Francis Says Atheists Who Do Good Are Redeemed, Not Just Catholics

It's all about works, just as it always has been and always should be. The pope says so!

Pope Francis rocked some religious and atheist minds today when he declared that everyone was redeemed through Jesus, including atheists.

During his homily at Wednesday Mass in Rome, Francis emphasized the importance of "doing good" as a principle that unites all humanity, and a "culture of encounter" to support peace.

Using scripture from the Gospel of Mark, Francis explained how upset Jesus' disciples were that someone outside their group was doing good, according to a report from Vatican Radio.

“They complain,” the Pope said in his homily, because they say, “If he is not one of us, he cannot do good. If he is not of our party, he cannot do good.” And Jesus corrects them: “Do not hinder him, he says, let him do good.” The disciples, Pope Francis explains, “were a little intolerant,” closed off by the idea of ​​possessing the truth, convinced that “those who do not have the truth, cannot do good.” “This was wrong . . . Jesus broadens the horizon.” Pope Francis said, “The root of this possibility of doing good – that we all have – is in creation”

Pope Francis went further in his sermon to say:

"The Lord created us in His image and likeness, and we are the image of the Lord, and He does good and all of us have this commandment at heart: do good and do not do evil. All of us. ‘But, Father, this is not Catholic! He cannot do good.’ Yes, he can... "The Lord has redeemed all of us, all of us, with the Blood of Christ: all of us, not just Catholics. Everyone! ‘Father, the atheists?’ Even the atheists. Everyone!".. We must meet one another doing good. ‘But I don’t believe, Father, I am an atheist!’ But do good: we will meet one another there.”

Responding to the leader of the Roman Catholic church's homily, Father James Martin, S.J. wrote in an email to The Huffington Post:

"Pope Francis is saying, more clearly than ever before, that Christ offered himself as a sacrifice for everyone. That's always been a Christian belief. You can find St. Paul saying in the First Letter to Timothy that Jesus gave himself as a "ransom for all." But rarely do you hear it said by Catholics so forcefully, and with such evident joy. And in this era of religious controversies, it's a timely reminder that God cannot be confined to our narrow categories."

Of course, not all Christians believe that those who don't believe will be redeemed, and the Pope's words may spark memories of the deep divisions from the Protestant reformation over the belief in redemption through grace versus redemption through works.

The pope's comment has also struck a chord on Reddit, where it is the second most-shared piece.

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Atheists should be seen as good people if they do good, Pope Francis said on Wednesday in his latest urging that people of all religions - or no religion - work together.

The leader of the world's 1.2 billion Roman Catholics made his comments in the homily of his morning Mass in his residence, a daily event where he speaks without prepared comments.

He told the story of a Catholic who asked a priest if even atheists had been redeemed by Jesus.

"Even them, everyone," the pope answered, according to Vatican Radio. "We all have the duty to do good," he said.

"Just do good and we'll find a meeting point," the pope said in a hypothetical conversation in which someone told a priest: "But I don't believe. I'm an atheist."

Francis's reaching out to atheists and people who belong to no religion is a marked contrast to the attitude of former Pope Benedict, who sometimes left non-Catholics feeling that he saw them as second-class believers.
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Old 05-25-2013, 09:51 PM   #2
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Old 05-25-2013, 09:55 PM   #3
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I heard he pardoned Satan himself.
Good on him. Satan is a alright guy once you get past his name of Prison Bitch. Or maybe that was just Tom I might be confused.

So has Xanatol fessed up yet.
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Old 05-25-2013, 10:09 PM   #4
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Old 05-25-2013, 10:12 PM   #5
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Old 05-25-2013, 10:23 PM   #6
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"The Lord created us in His image and likeness, and we are the image of the Lord, and He does good and all of us have this commandment at heart: do good and do not do evil. All of us. ‘But, Father, this is not Catholic! He cannot do good.’ Yes, he can... "The Lord has redeemed all of us, all of us, with the Blood of Christ: all of us, not just Catholics. Everyone! ‘Father, the atheists?’ Even the atheists. Everyone!".. We must meet one another doing good. ‘But I don’t believe, Father, I am an atheist!’ But do good: we will meet one another there.”
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Old 05-25-2013, 10:40 PM   #7
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I think I just fell in love with this guy.
He said atheists are redeemed. I don't think he took it quite this far though.
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Old 05-26-2013, 12:41 AM   #8
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I bet many Christians believe like i do, that the old teachings of "good works will not get you into Heaven" are words written by a man with that belief, not by God himself.

Compassion for and caring for people is about as God-like as it gets, imo... they may not be looking for converts, but they love their fellow man and hurt inside when they see someone suffering, and thats what counts to the God i believe in.
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Old 05-26-2013, 01:23 AM   #9
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This is actually kinda old news. The Catholic Church has pretty much had this stance for ages now but many (even inside the Church itself) are fairly ignorant when it comes to ACTUAL Catholic teachings and philosophy. I've tried to explain this to people for years and generally get looked at like I have no clue what I'm saying and that this can't possibly be true. The Catholic Church is far far far less exclusionary than most Christian denominations that Americans are used to.

Of course most Catholics down here in Texas and the South are just Baptists who can read.
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Old 05-26-2013, 01:33 AM   #10
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That is actually kind of refreshing, considering the number of religions/sects/cults who teach that 99.9% of the population is damned to hell because they don't believe exactly what that particular religion/sect/cult believes.

As AustinChief said, this isn't really new for the Catholic church. I remember a priest telling my 4th grade class in Catholic school pretty much the same thing several decades ago. It's a nice departure from those who insist that you could brutally rape and murder all the people you want, but you'll be enjoying eternal bliss in heaven as long as you repent and accept Christ one millisecond before you die, but if you find it difficult to believe that Noah built a boat and put dinosaurs on it, you're going to be tortured forever in the non-consuming fires of hell.
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Old 05-26-2013, 07:35 AM   #13
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He said atheists are redeemed. I don't think he took it quite this far though.
Well the good news is no more of this ridiculous jesus mumbo jumbo crap. Thank god.
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The Catholic Church is far far far less exclusionary than most Christian denominations that Americans are used to.


Most denominations allow the openly gay and will perform one than one marriage if someone gets divorced and wants to remarry.
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