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Old 05-27-2013, 01:06 AM  
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Monsanto Wins Fight to Take Away State Food Labeling Rights

Senator Bernie Sanders (I-VT) fought hard to give his state and others the right to label GMO foods, but faced nonsensical opposition from Monsanto-bought Sen. Debbie Stabenow (D-Mich.). Did reason win?


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Old 05-29-2013, 06:21 AM   #16
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Old 05-29-2013, 06:59 AM   #17
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Better labeling would cause a dramatic increase in health? ... What? The overwhelming majority of Americans don't give two shits about what nasty shit they stuff into their maws. All the pertinent information that makes a difference to human health, is there already. There's never been any legitimate proof that GMO crops have any negative effects on human health at all. So, no.. "Our heath situation" wouldn't be any different. Besides, we've been eating GMOs for several decades. Forced labeling would just raise the prices, and wouldn't make any difference in health at all. You'd have to prove some kind of danger from GMOs, before demanding billions of dollars be spent to change labeling.
I don't care about GMOs. But there are people that do and they have a right to know it's in their food before they make a choice on what they eat.

And you're completely wrong that people don't give two shits about what they eat. You don't think there's an obsession in this country with quick diets, running, etc...? The problem is they walk into a Panera and think they're eating a healthier sandwich. They buy food advertised as low fat or Diet Cokes and think they're eating healthier. When they choose a food item off the shelf, they have to read through 2-inch font to figure out sodium levels (and to do that, they have to wade through a bunch of bullshit like how much riboflavin is in their food).

I highly, highly doubt that any consumer knows how much sugar they are drinking in a diet coke vs. a Snapple or a Vitamin Water. I highly doubt that anybody knows the difference in salt content between a Chunky Soup and a bag of Lays chips.
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Old 05-29-2013, 08:13 AM   #18
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I don't care about GMOs. But there are people that do and they have a right to know it's in their food before they make a choice on what they eat.
No, you really don't have that right. It's like demanding that the toaster you bought at Walmart must have the blueprints printed on the box. You don't have the right to demand that. If you want to know what you eat, then grow your own food. That's your right.

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And you're completely wrong that people don't give two shits about what they eat. You don't think there's an obsession in this country with quick diets, running, etc...? The problem is they walk into a Panera and think they're eating a healthier sandwich. They buy food advertised as low fat or Diet Cokes and think they're eating healthier. When they choose a food item off the shelf, they have to read through 2-inch font to figure out sodium levels (and to do that, they have to wade through a bunch of bullshit like how much riboflavin is in their food).

I highly, highly doubt that any consumer knows how much sugar they are drinking in a diet coke vs. a Snapple or a Vitamin Water. I highly doubt that anybody knows the difference in salt content between a Chunky Soup and a bag of Lays chips.
The first bolded sentence is negated by the other bolded sentences. If people gave two shits, they would know what's in the Panera sandwich, and they would read the printed nutritional info(Which has all the ingredients and their quantities for ****'s sake). And the sugar quantity is clearly labeled on the Diet Coke, Snapple, and Vitamin Water already. Not sure what else you expect?

If you want to educate people about what they eat, then go ahead and do so. You can do that without requiring any relabeling at all.

Regardless, how the **** is GMO labeling going to help people eat healthier anyway? GMO labeling isn't going to help them determine sodium levels. Or how much riboflavin is in a food. Or the sugar content of what they're drinking. Or the salt content between a Chunky Soup and a bag of Lays chips. So everything that you typed here is just completely useless.
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Old 05-29-2013, 08:21 AM   #19
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No, you really don't have that right. It's like demanding that the toaster you bought at Walmart must have the blueprints printed on the box. You don't have the right to demand that. If you want to know what you eat, then grow your own food. That's your right.
This. You aren't forced to eat that food. You can grown your own food. You can buy alternative food that voluntarily puts labels on the food. You can request further information about the food from the grower or manufacturer. The labeling is a convenience - a convenience that a majority of people just ignore anyway. Do you think people really pay attention to the label on that bag of Cheetos or on that box of Fruity Pebbles?
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The first bolded sentence is negated by the other bolded sentences. If people gave two shits, they would know what's in the Panera sandwich, and they would read the printed nutritional info(Which has all the ingredients and their quantities for ****'s sake). And the sugar quantity is clearly labeled on the Diet Coke, Snapple, and Vitamin Water already. Not sure what else you expect?
Also this. The information is out there on almost all fast food...look if you want. It's not MY problem that people are lazy.
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Old 05-29-2013, 10:00 AM   #21
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I don't care about GMOs. But there are people that do and they have a right to know it's in their food before they make a choice on what they eat.

And you're completely wrong that people don't give two shits about what they eat. You don't think there's an obsession in this country with quick diets, running, etc...? The problem is they walk into a Panera and think they're eating a healthier sandwich. They buy food advertised as low fat or Diet Cokes and think they're eating healthier. When they choose a food item off the shelf, they have to read through 2-inch font to figure out sodium levels (and to do that, they have to wade through a bunch of bullshit like how much riboflavin is in their food).

I highly, highly doubt that any consumer knows how much sugar they are drinking in a diet coke vs. a Snapple or a Vitamin Water. I highly doubt that anybody knows the difference in salt content between a Chunky Soup and a bag of Lays chips.
The same idiots saying we don't have a right to know and that it will increase the prices are the same idiots that said we would have cheaper oil after invading Iraq.
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Old 05-29-2013, 03:44 PM   #23
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No, you really don't have that right. It's like demanding that the toaster you bought at Walmart must have the blueprints printed on the box. You don't have the right to demand that. If you want to know what you eat, then grow your own food. That's your right.
Companies sell consumers food in exchange for money. Just because I can make my own chairs doesn't mean that a furniture store has the right to sell me a plastic chair but make me believe it was made out of pine.

Toasters cannot advertise false claims and if there are any hazards to using the toasters, they are required to post them on the box.

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The first bolded sentence is negated by the other bolded sentences. If people gave two shits, they would know what's in the Panera sandwich, and they would read the printed nutritional info(Which has all the ingredients and their quantities for ****'s sake). And the sugar quantity is clearly labeled on the Diet Coke, Snapple, and Vitamin Water already. Not sure what else you expect?
I was pointing to Panera and Diet Coke as an example of the ridiculous idea that the only people who eat bad food are too lazy. If you want a better example than Panera, PF Changs. The problem is there's a ton of misinformation. Some of that is miseducation. But some of it is just the sheer complexity of the system. You have light chips that are loaded with grease. Diet sodas loaded with sugar. Whole wheat breads made with a gazillion bad ingredients. You have 25,000 different names for sugar. When we buy meat, we are immune to how much pre-seasoning is put into it. Oh and that orange juice you just bought? How many servings are there? HOw many total servings are in that bottle?

I don't know the answer. All I know is that we are eating and drinking ourselves into diabetes and some do that by choice, and others do it because of misinformation. By the way, here's an interesting proposal:
http://www.gmaonline.org/issues-poli...ng-initiative/
Is it right? I don't know. But let's stop the bullshit idea that everything is fine.


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If you want to educate people about what they eat, then go ahead and do so. You can do that without requiring any relabeling at all.
Bullshit. There are a million and a half ways for disgusting food to pass the quick sniff test as "healthy"

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Regardless, how the **** is GMO labeling going to help people eat healthier anyway? GMO labeling isn't going to help them determine sodium levels. Or how much riboflavin is in a food. Or the sugar content of what they're drinking. Or the salt content between a Chunky Soup and a bag of Lays chips. So everything that you typed here is just completely useless.
If consumers care about it, then they deserve to know what they are buying. Period. Do you think Taco Bell could get away with sneaking meat into their bean dishes? Or would you agree that Hindis and vegetarians have a right to know when meat is in their food? Does it make them healthier? No, not necesarily. For some reason, they made the choice to not eat meat.
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There are no laws preventing companies from labeling their food as not containing GMOs. I don't see what the big deal is. If the market demand is there, companies will start labeling their food as "Non-GMO"
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Companies sell consumers food in exchange for money. Just because I can make my own chairs doesn't mean that a furniture store has the right to sell me a plastic chair but make me believe it was made out of pine.

Toasters cannot advertise false claims and if there are any hazards to using the toasters, they are required to post them on the box.


I was pointing to Panera and Diet Coke as an example of the ridiculous idea that the only people who eat bad food are too lazy. If you want a better example than Panera, PF Changs. The problem is there's a ton of misinformation. Some of that is miseducation. But some of it is just the sheer complexity of the system. You have light chips that are loaded with grease. Diet sodas loaded with sugar. Whole wheat breads made with a gazillion bad ingredients. You have 25,000 different names for sugar. When we buy meat, we are immune to how much pre-seasoning is put into it. Oh and that orange juice you just bought? How many servings are there? HOw many total servings are in that bottle?

I don't know the answer. All I know is that we are eating and drinking ourselves into diabetes and some do that by choice, and others do it because of misinformation. By the way, here's an interesting proposal:
http://www.gmaonline.org/issues-poli...ng-initiative/
Is it right? I don't know. But let's stop the bullshit idea that everything is fine.



Bullshit. There are a million and a half ways for disgusting food to pass the quick sniff test as "healthy"



If consumers care about it, then they deserve to know what they are buying. Period. Do you think Taco Bell could get away with sneaking meat into their bean dishes? Or would you agree that Hindis and vegetarians have a right to know when meat is in their food? Does it make them healthier? No, not necesarily. For some reason, they made the choice to not eat meat.
Again... none of that has anything to do with GMOs or GMO labeling. You're going on and on about the complexity and confusion of food ingredients. But you've yet to show anything regarding why GMO labeling would fix any of that.

Taco Bell couldn't get away with sneaking meat into their bean dishes, and Hindi's have a right to know when meat is in their food. I definitely agree. But even that has absolutely nothing to do with GMOs or GMO labeling. You're arguing something differently entirely.
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Again... none of that has anything to do with GMOs or GMO labeling. You're going on and on about the complexity and confusion of food ingredients. But you've yet to show anything regarding why GMO labeling would fix any of that.

Taco Bell couldn't get away with sneaking meat into their bean dishes, and Hindi's have a right to know when meat is in their food. I definitely agree. But even that has absolutely nothing to do with GMOs or GMO labeling. You're arguing something differently entirely.
How is this different? Vegetarians choose not to eat meat because of personal choice, not because eating meat is a life or death situation. Not wanting to eat GMOs is a personal choice and it's one that many people would opt out of if they knew.
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Old 05-29-2013, 04:55 PM   #27
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How is this different? Vegetarians choose not to eat meat because of personal choice, not because eating meat is a life or death situation. Not wanting to eat GMOs is a personal choice and it's one that many people would opt out of if they knew.


Vegetarians don't demand for their personal choice to be a costly federal regulation applicable to everyone. WTF?
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How is this different? Vegetarians choose not to eat meat because of personal choice, not because eating meat is a life or death situation. Not wanting to eat GMOs is a personal choice and it's one that many people would opt out of if they knew.
What gmo thing do you think you eat now?
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What gmo thing do you think you eat now?
I really don't care about eating GMOs. But there are people who care deeply about it.
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Vegetarians don't demand for their personal choice to be a costly federal regulation applicable to everyone. WTF?
There will be a small cost to businesses who have to adjust their labeling.

If you're talking about price of regular food going up, please. This is basic supply and demand. The reason the price has changed is because of a consumer-driven demand shift based on their personal preferences. Consumers can be idiots, and their idiocy has driven plenty of good products out of business because they worried about an ingredient that is actually relatively harmless. But consumers have the right to be idiots, as long as they make that choice willingly.
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