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Old 06-05-2013, 04:00 PM  
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A federal appeals judge in Texas is accused of saying minorities are more apt than other groups to commit crime and that complaints of racial bias in death sentencing are a "red herring."

Civil rights organizations filed a complaint against 5th Circuit Judge Edith Jones this week for remarks they say she made at a February speech to the Federalist Society at the University of Pennsylvania Law School about racial bias in death row sentencing.

The groups say the comments are prejudiced and call into question Jones' ability to be an impartial and fair judge.

Jones' law office in Houston said the judge declines to comment on the case.
According to several people present who signed affidavits for the complaint, Jones said:

“Sadly some groups seem to commit more heinous crimes than others.” When asked to explain her remarks, she stated that there was “no arguing” that “Blacks and Hispanics” outnumber “Anglos” on death row and “sadly” it was a “statistical fact” that people “from these racial groups get involved in more violent crime.” By way of example, she asserted as a “fact” that “a lot of Hispanic people [are] involved in drug trafficking,” which itself “involved a lot of violent crime.”

Jones, a Reagan appointee, also defended the use of the death penalty because “a killer is only likely to make peace with God and the victim’s family in that moment when the killer faces imminent execution, recognizing that he or she is about to face God’s judgment,” according to the complaint.

No transcript or recording exists of the speech, according to the Federalist Society.

The 5th Circuit's chief judge, Carl E. Stewart, will decide whether to dismiss or pursue the complaint, according to The New York Times.

The law school's Federalist Society says Jones' remarks are being misconstrued. "Rest assured the Federalist Society does not host or harbor racist speakers," Penn's Federalist Society posted in a brief statement on its Facebook page. "We're disappointed that constructive dialogue about federal habeas relief is being misrepresented like this." (Federal habeas relief refers to the appeals process for prisoners.) The group did not return a request for further comment.

The issue of racial bias in sentencing made headlines in Texas in 2000 when Texas' then-Attorney General John Cornyn identified five cases in which he thought the race of a defendant was used improperly in testimony. Jones joined her colleagues on the 5th Circuit in rejecting the stay execution request of one of these prisoners, Duane Buck, in 2011. Buck argued that his sentence should be thrown out since an expert witness psychologist, Walter Quijano, suggested during his trail that Buck's race could make him more likely to commit another crime in the future.

Jones, who was believed to be on President George H.W. Bush's short list for the Supreme Court, has been an outspoken critic of the Supreme Court and judges who do not adhere to a constructionist view of the law.

In 2001, she told University of Texas law students that people who suspect they are fired because of racial bias or their gender should "take a better second job instead of bringing suit" because they were almost always wrong about the cause of their firing.

Jones also criticized the Supreme Court for allowing pornography and for decriminalizing the use of profanity in public places in a 2005 interview with The American Enterprise.
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Old 06-05-2013, 04:08 PM   #2
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Is the US crime rate higher in areas of more ethnic diversity?
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Old 06-05-2013, 04:09 PM   #3
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I don't really see a problem with Judges speaking the truth.

I think it's worth noting that the article doesn't provide an extended quote of the Judge's actual words, but instead cuts it all up and interjects editorial content to fill the gaps.
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Old 06-05-2013, 04:12 PM   #4
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“Sadly some groups seem to commit more heinous crimes than others.” When asked to explain her remarks, she stated that there was “no arguing” that “Blacks and Hispanics” outnumber “Anglos” on death row and “sadly” it was a “statistical fact” that people “from these racial groups get involved in more violent crime.”

I think the statistics agree, no?

If so, what don't you like about this, George?
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Old 06-05-2013, 04:29 PM   #5
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“Sadly some groups seem to commit more heinous crimes than others.” When asked to explain her remarks, she stated that there was “no arguing” that “Blacks and Hispanics” outnumber “Anglos” on death row and “sadly” it was a “statistical fact” that people “from these racial groups get involved in more violent crime.”

I think the statistics agree, no?

If so, what don't you like about this, George?
Perhaps because her statements seem to ignore, or at the very least, mistakeningly leave out the SES factor? (At least the statements that we are aware of).
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Old 06-05-2013, 04:30 PM   #6
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I don't see a problem with citing statistics involving race in america, but I do believe she and most people like her are too stupid to fully understand the the topic.

It's not as if blacks and crime just came together in the past decade or so... like, say, muslim terror crimes.

and, it's also convenient to claim all the glory of american leadership, yet shun the notion that some leadership activities at very least aggravate racially/ethnically motivated crime.
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Old 06-05-2013, 04:30 PM   #7
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Perhaps because her statements seem to ignore, or at the very least, mistakeningly leave out the SES factor?
Perhaps they do. That won't change the objective fact or fiction of her statement. If she is wrong then she can be disproved quite easily. If she is right, this article is pointless.
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Old 06-05-2013, 04:39 PM   #8
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Perhaps they do. That won't change the objective fact or fiction of her statement. If she is wrong then she can be disproved quite easily. If she is right, this article is pointless.
I disagree given that simply saying certain racial groups are more prone to violence is vastly different than saying certain racial groups who form a larger percentage of lower SES people are more prone to violence. Ignoring those obvious factors is the only thing that really makes this sound even a little bit bad.
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Perhaps because her statements seem to ignore, or at the very least, mistakeningly leave out the SES factor? (At least the statements that we are aware of).
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Old 06-05-2013, 04:52 PM   #10
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I disagree given that simply saying certain racial groups are more prone to violence is vastly different than saying certain racial groups who form a larger percentage of lower SES people are more prone to violence. Ignoring those obvious factors is the only thing that really makes this sound even a little bit bad.
I get the point you're making. But either her comment is true or false. If it is true then the article should never be written to begin with. If it's false (or misleading) then that should be pointed out.
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Old 06-05-2013, 04:59 PM   #11
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I get the point you're making. But either her comment is true or false. If it is true then the article should never be written to begin with. If it's false (or misleading) then that should be pointed out.
I agree. But I don't think it is the responsibility of the writer/editor to point those things out for her or put words in her mouth to help her out.
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socioeconomic status

I think social stratification applies more accurately though.
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Socioeconomic Status.
I had to Google it too.
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Don't think he means Senior Executive Service for Civilian Federal Employees. But as answered socio-economic status. Very commonly used in Education circles in an attempt to link causation for social-educational issues and to source government money. You remember the "War on Poverty" that hasn't effectively moved the poverty rate in over 50 years and a gilzillion dollars.
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socioeconomic status

I think social stratification applies more accurately though.
Perhaps. However, by specifying certain minorities she has elminated the need to separate further, specifically what class they fall into, since that would be a variable that is accounted for at a higher level as it contains all races of people.
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