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Old 06-05-2013, 04:00 PM  
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A federal appeals judge in Texas is accused of saying minorities are more apt than other groups to commit crime and that complaints of racial bias in death sentencing are a "red herring."

Civil rights organizations filed a complaint against 5th Circuit Judge Edith Jones this week for remarks they say she made at a February speech to the Federalist Society at the University of Pennsylvania Law School about racial bias in death row sentencing.

The groups say the comments are prejudiced and call into question Jones' ability to be an impartial and fair judge.

Jones' law office in Houston said the judge declines to comment on the case.
According to several people present who signed affidavits for the complaint, Jones said:

“Sadly some groups seem to commit more heinous crimes than others.” When asked to explain her remarks, she stated that there was “no arguing” that “Blacks and Hispanics” outnumber “Anglos” on death row and “sadly” it was a “statistical fact” that people “from these racial groups get involved in more violent crime.” By way of example, she asserted as a “fact” that “a lot of Hispanic people [are] involved in drug trafficking,” which itself “involved a lot of violent crime.”

Jones, a Reagan appointee, also defended the use of the death penalty because “a killer is only likely to make peace with God and the victim’s family in that moment when the killer faces imminent execution, recognizing that he or she is about to face God’s judgment,” according to the complaint.

No transcript or recording exists of the speech, according to the Federalist Society.

The 5th Circuit's chief judge, Carl E. Stewart, will decide whether to dismiss or pursue the complaint, according to The New York Times.

The law school's Federalist Society says Jones' remarks are being misconstrued. "Rest assured the Federalist Society does not host or harbor racist speakers," Penn's Federalist Society posted in a brief statement on its Facebook page. "We're disappointed that constructive dialogue about federal habeas relief is being misrepresented like this." (Federal habeas relief refers to the appeals process for prisoners.) The group did not return a request for further comment.

The issue of racial bias in sentencing made headlines in Texas in 2000 when Texas' then-Attorney General John Cornyn identified five cases in which he thought the race of a defendant was used improperly in testimony. Jones joined her colleagues on the 5th Circuit in rejecting the stay execution request of one of these prisoners, Duane Buck, in 2011. Buck argued that his sentence should be thrown out since an expert witness psychologist, Walter Quijano, suggested during his trail that Buck's race could make him more likely to commit another crime in the future.

Jones, who was believed to be on President George H.W. Bush's short list for the Supreme Court, has been an outspoken critic of the Supreme Court and judges who do not adhere to a constructionist view of the law.

In 2001, she told University of Texas law students that people who suspect they are fired because of racial bias or their gender should "take a better second job instead of bringing suit" because they were almost always wrong about the cause of their firing.

Jones also criticized the Supreme Court for allowing pornography and for decriminalizing the use of profanity in public places in a 2005 interview with The American Enterprise.
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Old 06-05-2013, 05:08 PM   #16
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I don't see a problem with citing statistics involving race in america, but I do believe she and most people like her are too stupid to fully understand the the topic.

It's not as if blacks and crime just came together in the past decade or so... like, say, muslim terror crimes.

and, it's also convenient to claim all the glory of american leadership, yet shun the notion that some leadership activities at very least aggravate racially/ethnically motivated crime.
Yeah, she's too stupid to understand the topic. That's it. Good grief.
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Old 06-05-2013, 05:09 PM   #17
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Perhaps because her statements seem to ignore, or at the very least, mistakeningly leave out the SES factor? (At least the statements that we are aware of).
If we're being fair, we aren't really aware of her statements given the lack of reliable reporting on them.
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Old 06-05-2013, 05:11 PM   #18
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Jones also criticized the Supreme Court for allowing pornography
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Old 06-05-2013, 05:11 PM   #19
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If we're being fair, we aren't really aware of her statements given the lack of reliable reporting on them.
Definitely. I was glad you pointed that out which is why I added my parentheses statement. Even the direct quote by her is pieced together with the writers words mixed in there.
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Old 06-05-2013, 05:12 PM   #20
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I disagree given that simply saying certain racial groups are more prone to violence is vastly different than saying certain racial groups who form a larger percentage of lower SES people are more prone to violence. Ignoring those obvious factors is the only thing that really makes this sound even a little bit bad.
I'm pretty confident that if she had said any racial groups were prone to violence, this article would have quoted it. In the brief quotes we do get, she doesn't even come close to using a word like "prone".
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Old 06-05-2013, 05:13 PM   #21
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I think it's worth noting that the article doesn't provide an extended quote of the Judge's actual words, but instead cuts it all up and interjects editorial content to fill the gaps.
You don't think this paragraph provides full context? (this is literally the most blatant parsing of quotes I have ever seen done unironically)

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When asked to explain her remarks, she stated that there was “no arguing” that “Blacks and Hispanics” outnumber “Anglos” on death row and “sadly” it was a “statistical fact” that people “from these racial groups get involved in more violent crime.” By way of example, she asserted as a “fact” that “a lot of Hispanic people [are] involved in drug trafficking,” which itself “involved a lot of violent crime.”
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Old 06-05-2013, 05:18 PM   #22
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I'm pretty confident that if she had said any racial groups were prone to violence, this article would have quoted it. In the brief quotes we do get, she doesn't even come close to using a word like "prone".
The article did quote it and the complaint claims that is what she said. Click the link and you will see this sentence just before they mention she is a Reagan appointee. I don't know why this part isn't in the OP though. Everything else is pretty close to that anyways.

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Old 06-05-2013, 05:20 PM   #23
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Old 06-05-2013, 05:21 PM   #24
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You don't think this paragraph provides full context? (this is literally the most blatant parsing of quotes I have ever seen done unironically)
I admit that I'm prejudiced.

I've noticed that any time I see that gblowfish has posted an article in DC, I look more closely for chicanery and intellectual dishonesty than I do for articles posted by other posters.

I'll leave it to you and the other fine folks of CP to decide whether my prejudice is justified or not.
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Old 06-05-2013, 05:24 PM   #25
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The article did quote it and the complaint claims that is what she said. Click the link and you will see this sentence just before they mention she is a Reagan appointee. I don't know why this part isn't in the OP though. Everything else is pretty close to that anyways.
OK, thanks. That's weird that it's different than the OP. I wonder if the article was changed at the other end or if gblowfish cut and pasted from a different site and then linked it back to the yahoo version.
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Old 06-05-2013, 05:26 PM   #26
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OK, thanks. That's weird that it's different than the OP. I wonder if the article was changed at the other end or if gblowfish cut and pasted from a different site and then linked it back to the yahoo version.
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Old 06-05-2013, 05:54 PM   #27
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OK, thanks. That's weird that it's different than the OP. I wonder if the article was changed at the other end or if gblowfish cut and pasted from a different site and then linked it back to the yahoo version.
Yahoo is notorious for modifying an article on the fly, even changing the article to something completely different within a specific link. It's bitten me before.
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Old 06-05-2013, 08:38 PM   #29
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Yeah, she's too stupid to understand the topic. That's it. Good grief.
Is the african/hispanic gene really responsible for crime? Really? gawd you are brilliant. take the nite off.
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Is the african/hispanic gene really responsible for crime? Really? gawd you are brilliant. take the nite off.
I think it's pretty absurd to assume she thinks this is a genetic thing.
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