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Old 06-05-2013, 04:00 PM  
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A federal appeals judge in Texas is accused of saying minorities are more apt than other groups to commit crime and that complaints of racial bias in death sentencing are a "red herring."

Civil rights organizations filed a complaint against 5th Circuit Judge Edith Jones this week for remarks they say she made at a February speech to the Federalist Society at the University of Pennsylvania Law School about racial bias in death row sentencing.

The groups say the comments are prejudiced and call into question Jones' ability to be an impartial and fair judge.

Jones' law office in Houston said the judge declines to comment on the case.
According to several people present who signed affidavits for the complaint, Jones said:

“Sadly some groups seem to commit more heinous crimes than others.” When asked to explain her remarks, she stated that there was “no arguing” that “Blacks and Hispanics” outnumber “Anglos” on death row and “sadly” it was a “statistical fact” that people “from these racial groups get involved in more violent crime.” By way of example, she asserted as a “fact” that “a lot of Hispanic people [are] involved in drug trafficking,” which itself “involved a lot of violent crime.”

Jones, a Reagan appointee, also defended the use of the death penalty because “a killer is only likely to make peace with God and the victim’s family in that moment when the killer faces imminent execution, recognizing that he or she is about to face God’s judgment,” according to the complaint.

No transcript or recording exists of the speech, according to the Federalist Society.

The 5th Circuit's chief judge, Carl E. Stewart, will decide whether to dismiss or pursue the complaint, according to The New York Times.

The law school's Federalist Society says Jones' remarks are being misconstrued. "Rest assured the Federalist Society does not host or harbor racist speakers," Penn's Federalist Society posted in a brief statement on its Facebook page. "We're disappointed that constructive dialogue about federal habeas relief is being misrepresented like this." (Federal habeas relief refers to the appeals process for prisoners.) The group did not return a request for further comment.

The issue of racial bias in sentencing made headlines in Texas in 2000 when Texas' then-Attorney General John Cornyn identified five cases in which he thought the race of a defendant was used improperly in testimony. Jones joined her colleagues on the 5th Circuit in rejecting the stay execution request of one of these prisoners, Duane Buck, in 2011. Buck argued that his sentence should be thrown out since an expert witness psychologist, Walter Quijano, suggested during his trail that Buck's race could make him more likely to commit another crime in the future.

Jones, who was believed to be on President George H.W. Bush's short list for the Supreme Court, has been an outspoken critic of the Supreme Court and judges who do not adhere to a constructionist view of the law.

In 2001, she told University of Texas law students that people who suspect they are fired because of racial bias or their gender should "take a better second job instead of bringing suit" because they were almost always wrong about the cause of their firing.

Jones also criticized the Supreme Court for allowing pornography and for decriminalizing the use of profanity in public places in a 2005 interview with The American Enterprise.
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Old 06-05-2013, 10:01 PM   #31
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Old 06-05-2013, 10:14 PM   #32
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Old 06-05-2013, 10:26 PM   #33
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So, she basically said the same thing other people say when pointing out institutional racism but she's a villain. That there's more minorities on death row and in prison.

How horrible.
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Old 06-05-2013, 10:27 PM   #34
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I can see why Obama fans would hate Texas though. People can get jobs there without Obama giving it to them.
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Old 06-05-2013, 11:19 PM   #35
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There are more "white" people of a low socio economic status than either group and statistically engage in less crime as a percentage of the population.. The judges comments, even cut to pieces(an obvious indication the writer is liar) are accurate. Its worth noting that archival statistics do not predict the future.
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Old 06-05-2013, 11:22 PM   #36
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Is the african/hispanic gene really responsible for crime? Really? gawd you are brilliant. take the nite off.
No. IMO Its culture, breeding, climate, and education. These 4 basic areas define the majority of their environment. Currently in some places it obviously creates toxic cycle of poverty, which leads to crime.
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Old 06-06-2013, 12:29 AM   #37
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I admit that I'm prejudiced.

I've noticed that any time I see that gblowfish has posted an article in DC, I look more closely for chicanery and intellectual dishonesty than I do for articles posted by other posters.

I'll leave it to you and the other fine folks of CP to decide whether my prejudice is justified or not.

He's the Antipete. It may be a sign of Armageddon.
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Old 06-06-2013, 06:53 AM   #38
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Old 06-06-2013, 09:06 AM   #39
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I think it's pretty absurd to assume she thinks this is a genetic thing.
Your ignorance impresses me. What exactly do you think she claims with this statement;

By way of example, she asserted as a “fact” that “a lot of Hispanic people [are] involved in drug trafficking,” which itself “involved a lot of violent crime.”



Allow me a moment to point out her ignorance with these statements;

Drug Traffic from the West

the "drug trafficking" trail is not found in the pacific ocean leading to Asia, and there are not "a lot of Hispanic people" utilizing smuggling tactics for illegal trade coming into the US from there.

Drug Traffic from the North

the "drug trafficking" trail is not found in Canada, and there are not "a lot of Hispanic people" utilizing smuggling tactics for illegal trade coming into the US from there.

Drug Traffic from the East

the "drug trafficking" trail is not found in the Atlantic ocean leading to Europe, and there are not "a lot of Hispanic people" utilizing smuggling tactics for illegal trade coming into the US from there.

Drug Traffic from the South

the "drug trafficking" trail is found south of our borders, where a lot of hispanic people originate as a race and inhabit today. In fact, there are very few other races that inhabit this part of the americas -- mexico and countries south are most predominately hispanic.


It would be the same to say cars cause most traffic accidents, which is about as ignorant as one can eloquently be.

Furthermore, she frames her conclusion in a bubble, where it seems there is no one else to blame -- no other race contributes to this criminal drug world she cooks up. That is a lie.

The bitch is criminally ****ing stupid bruh.
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Old 06-06-2013, 09:07 AM   #40
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Your ignorance impresses me. What exactly do you think she claims with this statement;

By way of example, she asserted as a “fact” that “a lot of Hispanic people [are] involved in drug trafficking,” which itself “involved a lot of violent crime.”



Allow me a moment to point out her ignorance with these statements;

Drug Traffic from the West

the "drug trafficking" trail is not found in the pacific ocean leading to Asia, and there are not "a lot of Hispanic people" utilizing smuggling tactics for illegal trade coming into the US from there.

Drug Traffic from the North

the "drug trafficking" trail is not found in Canada, and there are not "a lot of Hispanic people" utilizing smuggling tactics for illegal trade coming into the US from there.

Drug Traffic from the East

the "drug trafficking" trail is not found in the Atlantic ocean leading to Europe, and there are not "a lot of Hispanic people" utilizing smuggling tactics for illegal trade coming into the US from there.

Drug Traffic from the South

the "drug trafficking" trail is found south of our borders, where a lot of hispanic people originate as a race and inhabit today. In fact, there are very few other races that inhabit this part of the americas -- mexico and countries south are most predominately hispanic.


It would be the same to say cars cause most traffic accidents, which is about as ignorant as one can eloquently be.

Furthermore, she frames her conclusion in a bubble, where it seems there is no one else to blame -- no other race contributes to this criminal world she cooks up. That is a lie.

The bitch is criminally ****ing stupid bruh.
You kind of seem like you're supporting her statement there.
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Old 06-06-2013, 09:12 AM   #41
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You kind of seem like you're supporting her statement there.
holy shit
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Old 06-06-2013, 09:17 AM   #42
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holy shit
Oh, does that mean your above post was made tongue in cheek?
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Old 06-06-2013, 09:21 AM   #43
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Is the african/hispanic gene really responsible for crime? Really? gawd you are brilliant. take the nite off.
Where in the article did she say it was genetic?
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Old 06-06-2013, 09:24 AM   #44
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Your ignorance impresses me. What exactly do you think she claims with this statement;

By way of example, she asserted as a “fact” that “a lot of Hispanic people [are] involved in drug trafficking,” which itself “involved a lot of violent crime.”



Allow me a moment to point out her ignorance with these statements;

Drug Traffic from the West

the "drug trafficking" trail is not found in the pacific ocean leading to Asia, and there are not "a lot of Hispanic people" utilizing smuggling tactics for illegal trade coming into the US from there.

Drug Traffic from the North

the "drug trafficking" trail is not found in Canada, and there are not "a lot of Hispanic people" utilizing smuggling tactics for illegal trade coming into the US from there.

Drug Traffic from the East

the "drug trafficking" trail is not found in the Atlantic ocean leading to Europe, and there are not "a lot of Hispanic people" utilizing smuggling tactics for illegal trade coming into the US from there.

Drug Traffic from the South

the "drug trafficking" trail is found south of our borders, where a lot of hispanic people originate as a race and inhabit today. In fact, there are very few other races that inhabit this part of the americas -- mexico and countries south are most predominately hispanic.


It would be the same to say cars cause most traffic accidents, which is about as ignorant as one can eloquently be.

Furthermore, she frames her conclusion in a bubble, where it seems there is no one else to blame -- no other race contributes to this criminal drug world she cooks up. That is a lie.

The bitch is criminally ****ing stupid bruh.
She never contended that drug trafficking does not occur from the north, east, or west or does not occur with non-hispanic individuals.

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By way of example, she asserted as a “fact” that “a lot of Hispanic people [are] involved in drug trafficking,” which itself “involved a lot of violent crime.”
Well, it's true. A large number of Hispanic people ARE involved in drug trafficking. Drug trafficking DOES involve a lot of violent crime. Guess what? This lady is in TEXAS and the major focus of the drug problems here is the US - Mexico border.
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Old 06-06-2013, 09:26 AM   #45
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The judge: A lot of the drug smuggling is done by Hispanics.
Buzz: WHAT A DUMBASS! A LOT OF THE DRUG SMUGGLING IS DONE FROM MEXICO!

um, ok.
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