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Old 06-05-2013, 03:00 PM  
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A federal appeals judge in Texas is accused of saying minorities are more apt than other groups to commit crime and that complaints of racial bias in death sentencing are a "red herring."

Civil rights organizations filed a complaint against 5th Circuit Judge Edith Jones this week for remarks they say she made at a February speech to the Federalist Society at the University of Pennsylvania Law School about racial bias in death row sentencing.

The groups say the comments are prejudiced and call into question Jones' ability to be an impartial and fair judge.

Jones' law office in Houston said the judge declines to comment on the case.
According to several people present who signed affidavits for the complaint, Jones said:

“Sadly some groups seem to commit more heinous crimes than others.” When asked to explain her remarks, she stated that there was “no arguing” that “Blacks and Hispanics” outnumber “Anglos” on death row and “sadly” it was a “statistical fact” that people “from these racial groups get involved in more violent crime.” By way of example, she asserted as a “fact” that “a lot of Hispanic people [are] involved in drug trafficking,” which itself “involved a lot of violent crime.”

Jones, a Reagan appointee, also defended the use of the death penalty because “a killer is only likely to make peace with God and the victim’s family in that moment when the killer faces imminent execution, recognizing that he or she is about to face God’s judgment,” according to the complaint.

No transcript or recording exists of the speech, according to the Federalist Society.

The 5th Circuit's chief judge, Carl E. Stewart, will decide whether to dismiss or pursue the complaint, according to The New York Times.

The law school's Federalist Society says Jones' remarks are being misconstrued. "Rest assured the Federalist Society does not host or harbor racist speakers," Penn's Federalist Society posted in a brief statement on its Facebook page. "We're disappointed that constructive dialogue about federal habeas relief is being misrepresented like this." (Federal habeas relief refers to the appeals process for prisoners.) The group did not return a request for further comment.

The issue of racial bias in sentencing made headlines in Texas in 2000 when Texas' then-Attorney General John Cornyn identified five cases in which he thought the race of a defendant was used improperly in testimony. Jones joined her colleagues on the 5th Circuit in rejecting the stay execution request of one of these prisoners, Duane Buck, in 2011. Buck argued that his sentence should be thrown out since an expert witness psychologist, Walter Quijano, suggested during his trail that Buck's race could make him more likely to commit another crime in the future.

Jones, who was believed to be on President George H.W. Bush's short list for the Supreme Court, has been an outspoken critic of the Supreme Court and judges who do not adhere to a constructionist view of the law.

In 2001, she told University of Texas law students that people who suspect they are fired because of racial bias or their gender should "take a better second job instead of bringing suit" because they were almost always wrong about the cause of their firing.

Jones also criticized the Supreme Court for allowing pornography and for decriminalizing the use of profanity in public places in a 2005 interview with The American Enterprise.
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Old 06-06-2013, 08:34 AM   #46
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This lady is in TEXAS and the major focus of the drug problems here is the US - Mexico border.
Wait, what? I've never heard that before.

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Old 06-06-2013, 08:38 AM   #47
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Wait, what? I've never heard that before.

Apparently Buzz hasn't
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Old 06-06-2013, 08:49 AM   #48
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Old 06-06-2013, 08:56 AM   #49
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She never contended that drug trafficking does not occur from the north, east, or west or does not occur with non-hispanic individuals.



Well, it's true. A large number of Hispanic people ARE involved in drug trafficking. Drug trafficking DOES involve a lot of violent crime. Guess what? This lady is in TEXAS and the major focus of the drug problems here is the US - Mexico border.
OMG a THIRD CAPT OBVIOUS in the same thread!!!!

Whites consume the majority of illicit drugs worldwide. But they don't count when we talk, so I get tired of the ignorance & racism when I get involved in this type discussion.

Whites are just as much "the drug traffic" race as hispanics in my view, and really, I see this as a medical issue that needs to be handled by trained medical pros in conjunction with DOJ.

America has a huge drug problem -- both illicit & non illicit. Reduce drug use and traffic will also suffer. Economics. Very elementary economics.
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Old 06-06-2013, 09:02 AM   #50
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OMG a THIRD CAPT OBVIOUS in the same thread!!!!

Whites consume the majority of illicit drugs worldwide. But they don't count when we talk, so I get tired of the ignorance & racism when I get involved in this type discussion.

Whites are just as much "the drug traffic" race as hispanics in my view, and really, I see this as a medical issue that needs to be handled by trained medical pros in conjunction with DOJ.

America has a huge drug problem -- both illicit & non illicit. Reduce drug use and traffic will also suffer. Economics. Very elementary economics.
Still not seeing how what she said is racist or ignorant. She wasn't making a judgement on the causes. She didn't say it was genetic. For all you know she believes that economic factors and geography are causes and not genetics. I have no idea why you're claiming she says Hispanics are genetically prone to crime. Her actual quotes in the article are very few, and the ones included don't support any claim that she thinks it's genetic.

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Old 06-06-2013, 09:11 AM   #51
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From what I see people like Buzz and gblowfish are part of the problem. She's making a statement about what she sees in her experience. She didn't say it was genetic (from what I can see. Maybe there's more quotes.) But you have people rushing in to start screaming that she's some kind of racist. These are the type of spazzes that stifle any actual honest discussion.
She's saying that she doesn't think the sentencing is being done based on race or ethnicity. She's saying it's a numbers game. She doesn't say why the numbers game is the way it is. She's just pointing out statistical data.
But Heaven forbid. She was a "Reagan appointee," so obviously she must be coming from a place of racism and bigotry. Better screech for her removal.
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Old 06-06-2013, 09:53 AM   #52
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Your ignorance impresses me. What exactly do you think she claims with this statement;

By way of example, she asserted as a “fact” that “a lot of Hispanic people [are] involved in drug trafficking,” which itself “involved a lot of violent crime.”



Allow me a moment to point out her ignorance with these statements;

Drug Traffic from the West

the "drug trafficking" trail is not found in the pacific ocean leading to Asia, and there are not "a lot of Hispanic people" utilizing smuggling tactics for illegal trade coming into the US from there.

Drug Traffic from the North

the "drug trafficking" trail is not found in Canada, and there are not "a lot of Hispanic people" utilizing smuggling tactics for illegal trade coming into the US from there.

Drug Traffic from the East

the "drug trafficking" trail is not found in the Atlantic ocean leading to Europe, and there are not "a lot of Hispanic people" utilizing smuggling tactics for illegal trade coming into the US from there.

Drug Traffic from the South

the "drug trafficking" trail is found south of our borders, where a lot of hispanic people originate as a race and inhabit today. In fact, there are very few other races that inhabit this part of the americas -- mexico and countries south are most predominately hispanic.


It would be the same to say cars cause most traffic accidents, which is about as ignorant as one can eloquently be.

Furthermore, she frames her conclusion in a bubble, where it seems there is no one else to blame -- no other race contributes to this criminal drug world she cooks up. That is a lie.

The bitch is criminally ****ing stupid bruh.
This post reads as if there's been some drug trafficking through your brain. Try making a coherent point.
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Old 06-06-2013, 10:15 AM   #53
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From what I see people like Buzz and gblowfish are part of the problem. She's making a statement about what she sees in her experience. She didn't say it was genetic (from what I can see. Maybe there's more quotes.) But you have people rushing in to start screaming that she's some kind of racist. These are the type of spazzes that stifle any actual honest discussion.
She's saying that she doesn't think the sentencing is being done based on race or ethnicity. She's saying it's a numbers game. She doesn't say why the numbers game is the way it is. She's just pointing out statistical data.
But Heaven forbid. She was a "Reagan appointee," so obviously she must be coming from a place of racism and bigotry. Better screech for her removal.

It's as if a student was working a mathematics problem at the blackboard and just as she began to make progress towards the solution, the teacher ran to the board screaming, erasing the board, and foaming at the mouth the whole time.

This deranged teacher felt that if all the students saw the solution to the problem, and how to solve it, her reason to exist would be gone...
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Old 06-06-2013, 10:19 AM   #54
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From what I see people like Buzz and gblowfish are part of the problem. She's making a statement about what she sees in her experience. She didn't say it was genetic (from what I can see. Maybe there's more quotes.) But you have people rushing in to start screaming that she's some kind of racist. These are the type of spazzes that stifle any actual honest discussion.
She's saying that she doesn't think the sentencing is being done based on race or ethnicity. She's saying it's a numbers game. She doesn't say why the numbers game is the way it is. She's just pointing out statistical data.
But Heaven forbid. She was a "Reagan appointee," so obviously she must be coming from a place of racism and bigotry. Better screech for her removal.
The only real problem with what she is said (as reported here anyways) is that it sounds awfully close to simply "they are committing more crimes because they are black or hispanic." I don't think that is what she meant though because that would be a pretty racist thing to say or even insinuate.

Also, her speech was made in Pennsylvania. Even if she were racists and was actually trying to say something racists, she wouldn't do it at a law school in Pennsylvania.
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The only real problem with what she is said (as reported here anyways) is that it sounds awfully close to simply "they are committing more crimes because they are black or hispanic." I don't think that is what she meant though because that would be a pretty racist thing to say or even insinuate.

Also, her speech was made in Pennsylvania. Even if she were racists and was actually trying to say something racists, she wouldn't do it at a law school in Pennsylvania.
I think this much is clear - the article is very poorly written and clearly done with an agenda.
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This post reads as if there's been some drug trafficking through your brain. Try making a coherent point.
I am not at all surprised you could not find the points in my post. Conversely, I find no point in your post.
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From what I see people like Buzz and gblowfish are part of the problem.
I simply point the board towards a story as a topic of discussion, and "I'm part of the problem."

Allllrighty then....
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I simply point the board towards a story as a topic of discussion, and "I'm part of the problem."

Allllrighty then....
Based on your posting history my educated guess is that by posting the article you were more interested in doing a hit and run that painted republicans as racists, rather than some attempt to begin an honest discussion.
Especially considering the article itself was so poorly written and lacking in information.
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