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Old 06-05-2013, 03:00 PM  
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A federal appeals judge in Texas is accused of saying minorities are more apt than other groups to commit crime and that complaints of racial bias in death sentencing are a "red herring."

Civil rights organizations filed a complaint against 5th Circuit Judge Edith Jones this week for remarks they say she made at a February speech to the Federalist Society at the University of Pennsylvania Law School about racial bias in death row sentencing.

The groups say the comments are prejudiced and call into question Jones' ability to be an impartial and fair judge.

Jones' law office in Houston said the judge declines to comment on the case.
According to several people present who signed affidavits for the complaint, Jones said:

“Sadly some groups seem to commit more heinous crimes than others.” When asked to explain her remarks, she stated that there was “no arguing” that “Blacks and Hispanics” outnumber “Anglos” on death row and “sadly” it was a “statistical fact” that people “from these racial groups get involved in more violent crime.” By way of example, she asserted as a “fact” that “a lot of Hispanic people [are] involved in drug trafficking,” which itself “involved a lot of violent crime.”

Jones, a Reagan appointee, also defended the use of the death penalty because “a killer is only likely to make peace with God and the victim’s family in that moment when the killer faces imminent execution, recognizing that he or she is about to face God’s judgment,” according to the complaint.

No transcript or recording exists of the speech, according to the Federalist Society.

The 5th Circuit's chief judge, Carl E. Stewart, will decide whether to dismiss or pursue the complaint, according to The New York Times.

The law school's Federalist Society says Jones' remarks are being misconstrued. "Rest assured the Federalist Society does not host or harbor racist speakers," Penn's Federalist Society posted in a brief statement on its Facebook page. "We're disappointed that constructive dialogue about federal habeas relief is being misrepresented like this." (Federal habeas relief refers to the appeals process for prisoners.) The group did not return a request for further comment.

The issue of racial bias in sentencing made headlines in Texas in 2000 when Texas' then-Attorney General John Cornyn identified five cases in which he thought the race of a defendant was used improperly in testimony. Jones joined her colleagues on the 5th Circuit in rejecting the stay execution request of one of these prisoners, Duane Buck, in 2011. Buck argued that his sentence should be thrown out since an expert witness psychologist, Walter Quijano, suggested during his trail that Buck's race could make him more likely to commit another crime in the future.

Jones, who was believed to be on President George H.W. Bush's short list for the Supreme Court, has been an outspoken critic of the Supreme Court and judges who do not adhere to a constructionist view of the law.

In 2001, she told University of Texas law students that people who suspect they are fired because of racial bias or their gender should "take a better second job instead of bringing suit" because they were almost always wrong about the cause of their firing.

Jones also criticized the Supreme Court for allowing pornography and for decriminalizing the use of profanity in public places in a 2005 interview with The American Enterprise.
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Old 06-06-2013, 11:01 AM   #61
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Old 06-06-2013, 02:08 PM   #62
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Old 06-06-2013, 02:10 PM   #63
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The CIA runs the drug trade. The war on drugs is to eliminate the competition.
the war on drugs is insane...

legalize tax and have sensible limits on use (minors, etc.)...

ck out ca and co...

the "drug trade" in mj is pretty much dead in states with med mj or legalization, there is little need to buy illegally when it's legal...

get rid of drug gangs? legalize...
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Old 06-06-2013, 02:11 PM   #64
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the war on drugs is insane...

legalize tax and have sensible limits on use (minors, etc.)...

ck out ca and co...

the "drug trade" in mj is pretty much dead in states with med mj or legalization, there is little need to buy illegally when it's legal...

get rid of drug gangs? legalize...
They're never legalizing cocaine, meth and heroin.
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Old 06-06-2013, 02:24 PM   #65
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OMG a THIRD CAPT OBVIOUS in the same thread!!!!

Whites consume the majority of illicit drugs worldwide. But they don't count when we talk, so I get tired of the ignorance & racism when I get involved in this type discussion.
So far the only racist in this thread has been you.

Oh and you're dead wrong about whites consuming the majority of illicit drugs. Maybe if you go by raw numbers (highly doubtful) but not even close if you use percentages. Here are the figures for America, though it doesn't seem that FACTS are of any concern to you.

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Of the major racial/ethnic groups, the rate of drug use is highest among the American Indian/Native American population (10.6%) and those reporting mixed race (11.2%), followed by African Americans (7.7%), Hispanics (6.8%), whites (6.6%). The lowest rates are found among the Asian population. (3.2%).

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Old 06-06-2013, 02:28 PM   #66
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the war on drugs is insane...

legalize tax and have sensible limits on use (minors, etc.)...

ck out ca and co...

the "drug trade" in mj is pretty much dead in states with med mj or legalization, there is little need to buy illegally when it's legal...

get rid of drug gangs? legalize...
In theory I can agree with this but in practice it isn't going to happen any time soon. The biggest issue is pharmacology. What do you do with prescriptions? Can anyone stroll up to 7-11 and buy Vicodin or how about antibiotics? You can't cleanly separate "recreational" drugs from medical ones and since you can't ...you are looking at a complete restructure of the FDA.
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Old 06-06-2013, 03:02 PM   #67
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Based on your posting history my educated guess is that by posting the article you were more interested in doing a hit and run that painted republicans as racists, rather than some attempt to begin an honest discussion.
Especially considering the article itself was so poorly written and lacking in information.
He's doing the lefty equivalent of spamming those ridiculous articles from the Mr. Conservative website.
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Old 06-06-2013, 03:14 PM   #68
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He's doing the lefty equivalent of spamming those ridiculous articles from the Mr. Conservative website.
And it was on yahoo's site, but I don't know if people look at yahoo often - if they do they have to have noticed that they've started posting and linking to articles and stories with clear biases in both directions. They do it all the time now. Not just left or right, both ways. It's clearly a decision they reached that people want a sort of more biased way to consume news.
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Old 06-06-2013, 03:37 PM   #69
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And it was on yahoo's site, but I don't know if people look at yahoo often - if they do they have to have noticed that they've started posting and linking to articles and stories with clear biases in both directions. They do it all the time now. Not just left or right, both ways. It's clearly a decision they reached that people want a sort of more biased way to consume news.
I gather news from a variety of sources. I find it fairly easy to filter through the biased crap that gets churned out on the internet. It's a trend that has been very obvious as media outlets turned into "content providers" and old school news providers scrambled to build realistic business models. What surprises me (although less and less over the years) is that so many people don't actually want news. Or, at least, journalism. They appear to be satisfied by being spoonfed the latest glob of Pablum. As we slowly become a nation of illiterates, we seem to be a country that is perfectly happy with refusing to think at all.
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They're never legalizing cocaine, meth and heroin.
Which I'm fine with.
When I say “legalize it” these are not what I’m reeferring too.
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if they could figure out how to milk money out of legalizing pot, they'd do it.

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By Michelle Mondo, Staff Writers
Updated 10:12 pm, Wednesday, June 5, 2013

Ezekiel Gilbert denied he meant to kill Craigslist escort.

A Bexar County jury on Wednesday acquitted Ezekiel Gilbert of murder in the death of a 23-year-old Craigslist escort.

Gilbert, 30, embraced defense attorneys Bobby Barrera and Roy Barrera Sr. with tears in his eyes after the not guilty verdict was read aloud by state District Judge Mary Román.

Outside the courtroom, Gilbert thanked God, the Barrera family and the jury for being able to “see what wasn't the truth” and for the “second chance.”

Had he been convicted, he could have faced up to life in prison for the slaying of Lenora Ivie Frago who died about seven months after she was shot in the neck and paralyzed on Christmas Eve 2009. Gilbert admitted shooting Frago.

“I sincerely regret the loss of the life of Ms. Frago,” Gilbert said Wednesday. “I've been in a mental prison the past four years of my life. I have nightmares. If I see guns on TV where people are getting killed, I change the channel.”

The verdict came after almost 11 hours of deliberations that stretched over two days. The trial began May 17 but had a long hiatus after a juror unexpectedly had to leave town for a funeral.

During closing arguments Tuesday, Gilbert's defense team conceded the shooting did occur but said the intent wasn't to kill. Gilbert's actions were justified, they argued, because he was trying to retrieve stolen property: the $150 he paid Frago. It became theft when she refused to have sex with him or give the money back, they said.

Gilbert testified earlier Tuesday that he had found Frago's escort ad on Craigslist and believed sex was included in her $150 fee. But instead, Frago walked around his apartment and after about 20 minutes left, saying she had to give the money to her driver, he said.

That driver, the defense contended, was Frago's pimp and her partner in the theft scheme.

The Texas law that allows people to use deadly force to recover property during a nighttime theft was put in place for “law-abiding” citizens, prosecutors Matt Lovell and Jessica Schulze countered. It's not intended for someone trying to force another person into an illegal act such as prostitution, they argued.



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So far the only racist in this thread has been you.

Oh and you're dead wrong about whites consuming the majority of illicit drugs. Maybe if you go by raw numbers (highly doubtful) but not even close if you use percentages. Here are the figures for America, though it doesn't seem that FACTS are of any concern to you.
well there you go -- massaging the numbers to your liking while conveniently brushing past the point.
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well there you go -- massaging the numbers to your liking while conveniently brushing past the point.
Kind of like the writer of this article massaged her quotes to her liking.
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Old 06-06-2013, 05:19 PM   #75
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oh, I hear ya blaise. but I also hear these comments from her peers;


Judge Edith Jones' 'racist' speech: What others are saying



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Judge Edith Jones' potentially racist remarks, in a speech to The Federalist Society at the University of Pennsylvania Law School, drew a formal complaint of misconduct from a coalition of civil rights organizations to the 5th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in New Orleans. News of the complaint spawned comments:


"As someone who has both defended and charged federal judges in cases of misconduct, this complaint is impressive -- an extraordinary collection of allegations that will test the often criticized ability of the federal courts to police themselves. Some of these statements attributed to Jones are quite bizarre like the suggestion of the death penalty as necessary to bring defendants closer to God (though that statement could have been made in jest or sarcasm)." -- Jonathan Turley, George Washington University law professor and former Tulane University law professor.

"Though these allegations will need to be proven during the formal ethics process, they are entirely in line with Jones' past record." -- Ian Millhiser, senior constitutional policy analyst at the Center for American Progress Action Fund and the Editor of ThinkProgress Justice.

"Let us pause for a moment and consider Judge Jones's opinion on the death penalty which proves, if nothing else, that as a theologian, she's probably a pretty good plumber." -- Charles Pierce, Esquire politics blogger.

"The alleged statements, if true, demonstrate personal racial and religious bias as well as questionable legal analysis. These biases are incredibly inappropriate for a sitting jurist at any level, let alone a former chief judge on one of the highest level Article II Courts of Appeal." -- U.S. Rep. Cedric Richmond, D-New Orleans.

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