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Old 06-05-2013, 04:00 PM  
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A federal appeals judge in Texas is accused of saying minorities are more apt than other groups to commit crime and that complaints of racial bias in death sentencing are a "red herring."

Civil rights organizations filed a complaint against 5th Circuit Judge Edith Jones this week for remarks they say she made at a February speech to the Federalist Society at the University of Pennsylvania Law School about racial bias in death row sentencing.

The groups say the comments are prejudiced and call into question Jones' ability to be an impartial and fair judge.

Jones' law office in Houston said the judge declines to comment on the case.
According to several people present who signed affidavits for the complaint, Jones said:

“Sadly some groups seem to commit more heinous crimes than others.” When asked to explain her remarks, she stated that there was “no arguing” that “Blacks and Hispanics” outnumber “Anglos” on death row and “sadly” it was a “statistical fact” that people “from these racial groups get involved in more violent crime.” By way of example, she asserted as a “fact” that “a lot of Hispanic people [are] involved in drug trafficking,” which itself “involved a lot of violent crime.”

Jones, a Reagan appointee, also defended the use of the death penalty because “a killer is only likely to make peace with God and the victim’s family in that moment when the killer faces imminent execution, recognizing that he or she is about to face God’s judgment,” according to the complaint.

No transcript or recording exists of the speech, according to the Federalist Society.

The 5th Circuit's chief judge, Carl E. Stewart, will decide whether to dismiss or pursue the complaint, according to The New York Times.

The law school's Federalist Society says Jones' remarks are being misconstrued. "Rest assured the Federalist Society does not host or harbor racist speakers," Penn's Federalist Society posted in a brief statement on its Facebook page. "We're disappointed that constructive dialogue about federal habeas relief is being misrepresented like this." (Federal habeas relief refers to the appeals process for prisoners.) The group did not return a request for further comment.

The issue of racial bias in sentencing made headlines in Texas in 2000 when Texas' then-Attorney General John Cornyn identified five cases in which he thought the race of a defendant was used improperly in testimony. Jones joined her colleagues on the 5th Circuit in rejecting the stay execution request of one of these prisoners, Duane Buck, in 2011. Buck argued that his sentence should be thrown out since an expert witness psychologist, Walter Quijano, suggested during his trail that Buck's race could make him more likely to commit another crime in the future.

Jones, who was believed to be on President George H.W. Bush's short list for the Supreme Court, has been an outspoken critic of the Supreme Court and judges who do not adhere to a constructionist view of the law.

In 2001, she told University of Texas law students that people who suspect they are fired because of racial bias or their gender should "take a better second job instead of bringing suit" because they were almost always wrong about the cause of their firing.

Jones also criticized the Supreme Court for allowing pornography and for decriminalizing the use of profanity in public places in a 2005 interview with The American Enterprise.
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Old 06-06-2013, 10:13 PM   #91
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"Some evidence suggests that there is an increasing use of illicit drugs and reported numbers point to over 3 million drug addicts in India"

the other nations are too damn small to even mess with running numbers
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Drug abuse and addiction is on the rise throughout India. According to recent surveys, India has at least seventy million drug addicts.
Oops.

The other nations are NOT too damn small. Take your head out of your ass, you have any clue how big Pakistan is? Bangladesh?

These numbers start to add up very quickly.

But I think you proved my point already. You simply made up the "fact" you claimed and pulled it out of your ass... next time go back and pull your head out with it.
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Old 06-06-2013, 10:14 PM   #92
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oh, I hear ya blaise. but I also hear these comments from her peers;


Judge Edith Jones' 'racist' speech: What others are saying



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Judge Edith Jones' potentially racist remarks, in a speech to The Federalist Society at the University of Pennsylvania Law School, drew a formal complaint of misconduct from a coalition of civil rights organizations to the 5th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in New Orleans. News of the complaint spawned comments:


"As someone who has both defended and charged federal judges in cases of misconduct, this complaint is impressive -- an extraordinary collection of allegations that will test the often criticized ability of the federal courts to police themselves. Some of these statements attributed to Jones are quite bizarre like the suggestion of the death penalty as necessary to bring defendants closer to God (though that statement could have been made in jest or sarcasm)." -- Jonathan Turley, George Washington University law professor and former Tulane University law professor.

"Though these allegations will need to be proven during the formal ethics process, they are entirely in line with Jones' past record." -- Ian Millhiser, senior constitutional policy analyst at the Center for American Progress Action Fund and the Editor of ThinkProgress Justice.

"Let us pause for a moment and consider Judge Jones's opinion on the death penalty which proves, if nothing else, that as a theologian, she's probably a pretty good plumber." -- Charles Pierce, Esquire politics blogger.

"The alleged statements, if true, demonstrate personal racial and religious bias as well as questionable legal analysis. These biases are incredibly inappropriate for a sitting jurist at any level, let alone a former chief judge on one of the highest level Article II Courts of Appeal." -- U.S. Rep. Cedric Richmond, D-New Orleans.

http://www.nola.com/crime/index.ssf/...ist_speec.html
That's supposed to mean much?
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Old 06-06-2013, 10:28 PM   #93
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Drug Growth in China

Drug consumption has grown rapidly in the past few years. According to the Brookings Institution, the number of officially registered addicts increased from 70,000 in 1990 to more than 1.79 million at the end of 2011 -- a 16 percent annual growth rate.



Ah!! well, add another 1.8 mil to the pile chief. So, we're up to about 11 mil worldwide that are NOT WHITE illicit users compared with 14 mil white AMERICANS that do tha dope.

ooooooh. getting close now, chiefy.

But, we have not accounted for illicit drug use of russian whites, european whites and canadian whites.

We'll have to run those numbers tomorrow -- I'm losin' steam here, cappy.
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Drug Growth in China

Drug consumption has grown rapidly in the past few years. According to the Brookings Institution, the number of officially registered addicts increased from 70,000 in 1990 to more than 1.79 million at the end of 2011 -- a 16 percent annual growth rate.



Ah!! well, add another 1.8 mil to the pile chief. So, we're up to about 11 mil worldwide that are NOT WHITE illicit users compared with 14 mil white AMERICANS that do tha dope.

ooooooh. getting close now, chiefy.

But, we have not accounted for illicit drug use of russian whites, european whites and canadian whites.

We'll have to run those numbers tomorrow -- I'm losin' steam here, cappy.
Nope, your China figure is REGISTERED addicts. That's equivalent to "drug users in America that are in recovery programs." Nice try but no dice as a full figure. And you conveniently ignored the report that has India at 70 million.

How about this...

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One survey by the state's department of Social Security Development of Women and Children late last year suggested that as many as 67 percent of rural households in Punjab had at least one drug addict in the family. Worse, there is at least one death due to drug overdose each week in the region.
And you have only touched on TWO countries. Yet again, it's pretty clear you simply made up your claim... otherwise how come you are scrambling(and failing pathetically) to justify it now?

Let's throw Pakistan in the mix...
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The Report estimates that 5.8 per cent - or 6.4 million adults in Pakistan - used drugs in the last 12 months.
Bangladesh...
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There are around six million drug users in Bangladesh who spend over Tk700m every day on illegal narcotics, studies and intelligence reports have revealed.
Iran? (and this is JUST OPIATES)
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According to the U.N. World Drug Report for 2005, Iran has the highest proportion of opiate addicts in the world -- 2.8 percent of the population over age 15. Only two other countries -- Mauritius and Kyrgyzstan -- pass the 2 percent mark. With a population of about 70 million and some government agencies putting the number of regular users close to 4 million, Iran has no real competition as world leader in per capita addiction to opiates, including heroin.
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Old 06-06-2013, 11:04 PM   #95
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A total of 12.4% of Nigerians between the age of 15 and 64 smoke the herb of cannabis, INCB said.
That's 10.6 million.

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There are an estimated 1.5 million of coke users in West Africa, with Nigerians topping the list.
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An estimated 0.7% of Nigerians are heroin users
That's 1.1 million

You realize we are just scratching the surface of the world's population here right?

How about Japan... one of the lowest % of drug use... yet they still account for...

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In 2010 the Japanese government health ministry estimated that 2.76 million Japanese (2.9 percent of the population) had used illegal drugs.
Thailand?
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Thailand has almost 2.6 million drug abusers aged five to 68, including 2.4 million methamphetamine users, according to an official health survey.
Philippines?
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- An estimated 1.7 million Filipinos are hooked on drugs, with 1,700 of them dying each year due to their addiction, a Dangerous Drugs Board (DDB) official said yesterday.
And that is a figure for people "hooked" not just users which is a much much higher number.
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There are believed to be as many as 6.7 million drug abusers according to figures from 2004

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Old 06-06-2013, 11:33 PM   #96
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I did not make any statement regarding populations. More whites use drugs than any other race on the planet, is what I said -- that set of numbers I put together does not include white drug users elsewhere on the planet. If it did, the numbers would be even more lopsided.
I'm just throwing some numbers out there. In this country "whites" make up a substantial majority of the population. All things being equal I would expect more "white" drug users, and the raw numbers to reflect that. So then you look at percentages. It's still fuzzy math because the statistics are easily manipulated, and the way in which the numbers are gathered is questionable. If you want to start thinking globally you are going to run into the exact opposite effect. Here's a table that I just grabbed from Wiki Answers:

World Racial Demographics



Asian 54%
East Asian 24% (Korea, Mongolia ,China, Japan)
South Asian 21% (India, Sri Lanka, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Nepal)
Southeast Asian 9% (Cambodia, Bruma, Philippines, Malayasia)
Black 15%
White 15%
Hispanic 8%
Middle Eastern 8%

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_are_t...l_demographics

If you have data that conflicts with this please post it. I just did a lazy search. I doubt that "white" drug use is going to significantly outpace "non white" drug use unless you start playing with what "white" means.

Anyway, that's not really relevant. The judge allegedly said:

(1) in the US
(2) "blacks" and "Hispanics"
(3) get involved in more violent crime
(4) than "Anglos"

As anecdotal evidence she allegedly offered that:

(1) more "Hispanics"
(2) are involved in drug trafficking
(3) which is inherently violent


There are several troubling points in this story:

(1) there is no record of her saying this
(2) the story is heavily parsed
(3) the terminology attributed to the judge is poorly chosen
(4) it's liberally (pun intended) sprinkled with red herrings throughout

It's a ridiculously biased story. It's meant to provoke an emotional response, not inform. It's just more of the same crap that gblowfish dumps into DC occasionally.
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Old 06-07-2013, 08:22 AM   #97
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Nope, your China figure is REGISTERED addicts. That's equivalent to "drug users in America that are in recovery programs." Nice try but no dice as a full figure. And you conveniently ignored the report that has India at 70 million.

How about this...



And you have only touched on TWO countries. Yet again, it's pretty clear you simply made up your claim... otherwise how come you are scrambling(and failing pathetically) to justify it now?

Let's throw Pakistan in the mix...


Bangladesh...


Iran? (and this is JUST OPIATES)
I set criteria for my search that you did not -- that "70 mil" figure is a estimate figure without any census data, which is what I used to collect my data.

It is estimated up to 80 mil potheads use in the US if that's how you want to roll...

But I don't roll like that so I guess this wonderful lil conversation has come to a halt.
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I'm just throwing some numbers out there. In this country "whites" make up a substantial majority of the population. All things being equal I would expect more "white" drug users, and the raw numbers to reflect that. So then you look at percentages. It's still fuzzy math because the statistics are easily manipulated, and the way in which the numbers are gathered is questionable. If you want to start thinking globally you are going to run into the exact opposite effect. Here's a table that I just grabbed from Wiki Answers:

World Racial Demographics



Asian 54%
East Asian 24% (Korea, Mongolia ,China, Japan)
South Asian 21% (India, Sri Lanka, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Nepal)
Southeast Asian 9% (Cambodia, Bruma, Philippines, Malayasia)
Black 15%
White 15%
Hispanic 8%
Middle Eastern 8%

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_are_t...l_demographics

If you have data that conflicts with this please post it. I just did a lazy search. I doubt that "white" drug use is going to significantly outpace "non white" drug use unless you start playing with what "white" means.

Anyway, that's not really relevant. The judge allegedly said:

(1) in the US
(2) "blacks" and "Hispanics"
(3) get involved in more violent crime
(4) than "Anglos"

As anecdotal evidence she allegedly offered that:

(1) more "Hispanics"
(2) are involved in drug trafficking
(3) which is inherently violent


There are several troubling points in this story:

(1) there is no record of her saying this
(2) the story is heavily parsed
(3) the terminology attributed to the judge is poorly chosen
(4) it's liberally (pun intended) sprinkled with red herrings throughout

It's a ridiculously biased story. It's meant to provoke an emotional response, not inform. It's just more of the same crap that gblowfish dumps into DC occasionally.
I'm not sure how biased it is -- a lot of it is based on eyewitness accounts in a university lecture setting, however loosely it is written. all news today is geared for spirited response from readers and yes -- this write is in line..

Your claim "In this country "whites" make up a substantial majority of the population" is a bit off though, in this context. Your graph shows 47% white compared with the two "trouble races" Hispanics at 29% and blacks at 13%. If those two races are such a drug culture compared with american whites(which is the subject matter of this thread), then I believe it's fair to simply lump the two races together for a real head to head comparison -- which means blacks/hispanics make up 42% of the population compared with 47% whites -- that's not a big margin, yet the numbers of drug users from these groups -- 14 mil compared with the collective 6 mil is more than double the number of whites using illicit drugs in america.

Going back to the OP, I believe there will be truth to some of this -- she is documented expressing similar statements in the past, as the "comments from peers" report I posted indicates and one of her peers exclaimed she broke several ethical rules of sitting judges and was "incredibly inappropriate" if the allegations are true.

And, I believe austinchief proved my assertion whites often target other races explaining illicit drug use in america while dismissing the fact that a lot more white folks are illicit drug users, which is really the point of the entire OP subject regarding illicit drug use in america.
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I did not make any statement regarding populations. More whites use drugs than any other race on the planet, is what I said -- that set of numbers I put together does not include white drug users elsewhere on the planet. If it did, the numbers would be even more lopsided.

but this wasn't even the point -- white folks on this board and across america don't want any responsibility in the world around them with regard to this subject and they will flat out lie to keep living a fantasy that white race does not contribute greatly to the illicit drug market. It's insane and it is directly in the way of reducing drug use in america.

it's statements like AC's "but I really don't care" that are flat out cop outs. He does. He knows how important drug use is, he just doesn't want to get uncomfortable handling the truth.

All four branches of military are policing drug use worldwide. The FBI, DEA, CIA DHS and countless other depts of our gov't are policing drug use. our local judicial systems are policing drug use and narrowly keeps up. Emails are collected, guns are traded for the opp to run a sting on foriegn cartels. our USC has been rendered useless because "drug reduction is more important".

The truth is, there isn't anything more important today than this issue imo.

Ya. Sure. Nobody "really" cares about this.
It's funny how you make a bunch of generalizations to complain about someone else's generalizations.

Now what did she say that was racist, exactly?

And as far as your "report" from her "peers". A ThinkProgress group and a Democrat politician are her "peers"?

Do you know if this lady was responding to a particular question?
Do you know why they felt the need to parse her quotes to such an extreme and fill in between with their own editorial?
Do you know if she was speaking only about her jurisdiction in Texas? The same jurisdiction that you yourself point out could statistically rate higher in the number of Hispanics arrested?
Do you know if she was simply referring to discrimination in sentencing, and her argument is that , yes, they do sentence more Hispanics to prison and the death penalty in her jurisdiction, but that it's because they simply see cases involving Hispanics come across more often?

I'm guessing not. Instead you're choosing to consume an obviously agenda-driven piece, that's devoid of almost any quality facts, and deciding that her comments were obviously intended to say that minorities are genetically disposed to commit violent crimes.

You're essentially being less fair then the people you're complaining about giving unfair treatment.

It's like a form of McCarthyism these days with race. Find any comment that could be perceived as racist and run with it - who cares what the actual intent was - let's label her a racist and get her out of there.

And then you have jackals like Buzz more than willing to run with it. Pathetic.
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If nothing else, this shows a recent trend of Latino Americans trying to assimilate into White and Black American culture... so everyone should be happy, right?
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I set criteria for my search that you did not -- that "70 mil" figure is a estimate figure without any census data, which is what I used to collect my data.

It is estimated up to 80 mil potheads use in the US if that's how you want to roll...

But I don't roll like that so I guess this wonderful lil conversation has come to a halt.
No, your "data" so far has been completely made up bullshit. Your quotes have been random google search results. But I'll roll with "census" data.. there is ZERO chance of you being right here. It's awful convenient for you to want to stop the conversation when it has become painfully clear that you pulled your "facts" out of your ass and are now being completely discredited.
Are you going to address the multitude of other posts I have presented that effectively prove you wrong after going through only a small sample of countries? Would you like to FINALLY show some evidence to show that the claims you made aren't completely pulled straight out of your ass? That will be a neat trick if you can.

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Your claim "In this country "whites" make up a substantial majority of the population" is a bit off though, in this context. Your graph shows 47% white compared with the two "trouble races" Hispanics at 29% and blacks at 13%.
You are epically stupid. That 47% figure is for 2050 you ****ing moron. You can't mix and match your "data" with population estimates from ~40 years from now. The current "white" population of America makes up 65% or roughly 2/3.

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And, I believe austinchief proved my assertion whites often target other races explaining illicit drug use in america while dismissing the fact that a lot more white folks are illicit drug users, which is really the point of the entire OP subject regarding illicit drug use in america.
So now, I'm a racist too! I hope you realize I'd still be here clowning you if you had made equally ignorant statements like "hispanics are the majority of the world's drug users" or "blacks are the majority of the world's drug users"... just because you singled out whites for your racism has nothing to do with my motivations to show how piss ignorant you are. The fact that you are a lying piece of shit whose primary motivation seems to be to stifle legitimate discussion is what set me off.
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Your claim "In this country "whites" make up a substantial majority of the population" is a bit off though, in this context. Your graph shows 47% white compared with the two "trouble races" Hispanics at 29% and blacks at 13%. If those two races are such a drug culture compared with american whites(which is the subject matter of this thread), then I believe it's fair to simply lump the two races together for a real head to head comparison -- which means blacks/hispanics make up 42% of the population compared with 47% whites -- that's not a big margin, yet the numbers of drug users from these groups -- 14 mil compared with the collective 6 mil is more than double the number of whites using illicit drugs in america.
No, it's really not off. The numbers for 2010 are as follows:

65% "white"
13% "black
16% "Hispanic"
5% "Asian"

So, yes, in this country "whites" make up a substantial majority of the population. It's an overwhelming majority in fact. You need for "whites" to be responsible for more than 65% of illicit drug use in the US for your opinion of higher usage rates dependent on ethnicity to be correct, and it needs to be a statistically substantial margin for it to even be considered.

Your other stated opinion that "whites" are responsible for more illicit drug use worldwide in general requires an even harsher standard because you are considering raw numbers instead. The only numbers I have stumbled across show "whites" as 15% of the global population. I doubt that your opinion is anywhere close to being correct, but please post data that justifies this opinion if you can find it.
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If nothing else, this shows a recent trend of Latino Americans trying to assimilate into White and Black American culture... so everyone should be happy, right?
I'm glad you singled that out. I had meant to but forgot about it. That chart is what I was referring to when I stated that the way in which the numbers are gathered is questionable. As I understand this chart relies on self reporting but not entirely so. So I consider it "fuzzy math" because the data gathering method is questionable. It's just a ballpark estimate and may be worthless.
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No, it's really not off. The numbers for 2010 are as follows:

65% "white"
13% "black
16% "Hispanic"
5% "Asian"

So, yes, in this country "whites" make up a substantial majority of the population. It's an overwhelming majority in fact. You need for "whites" to be responsible for more than 65% of illicit drug use in the US for your opinion of higher usage rates dependent on ethnicity to be correct, and it needs to be a statistically substantial margin for it to even be considered.

Your other stated opinion that "whites" are responsible for more illicit drug use worldwide in general requires an even harsher standard because you are considering raw numbers instead. The only numbers I have stumbled across show "whites" as 15% of the global population. I doubt that your opinion is anywhere close to being correct, but please post data that justifies this opinion if you can find it.
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