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Old 06-05-2013, 06:13 PM  
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NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

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The order, a copy of which has been obtained by the Guardian, requires Verizon on an "ongoing, daily basis" to give the NSA information on all telephone calls in its systems, both within the US and between the US and other countries.
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The secret Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (Fisa) granted the order to the FBI on April 25, giving the government unlimited authority to obtain the data for a specified three-month period ending on July 19.

Under the terms of the blanket order, the numbers of both parties on a call are handed over, as is location data, call duration, unique identifiers, and the time and duration of all calls. The contents of the conversation itself are not covered.
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Old 06-07-2013, 08:24 AM   #91
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My first choice is Gary Johnson.

Being practical though, I think Rand Paul has the best chance of getting elected. It's taken a lot of hard work to get to the point where a candidate with a libertarian bent could get to this point where their election is realistic. We always get a lot of help when Democrats are in office (which is why we are never incentivized to vote for losers like McCain and Mitt).
I'm glad you used the word "bent" to place "libertarian" for an adjective. Rand says he's not a libertarian. Many libertarians, are disappointed in him. Still, he's better than any NeoCon running as a conservative but who is really a progressive fascist.
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Old 06-07-2013, 08:30 AM   #92
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Why the outrage? You people are actually surprised by this? I figured they were doing this the day after the ink dried on the passage of the Patriot Act. Surprised it only took 6 years to get up and going.
I think the surprise and outrage is that is was actually used against the Media. The media didn't care when this was going on for the last 10 plus years when it only affected regular people (for the most part). Now, the Media was targeted, so the Media will start working up a frenzy over this and all other aspects of it.

That sad part is it took this long.

Most reasonable people on both sides of isle were concerned over this when the Patriot Act was passed.

Of course, I also remember Tom Clancy writing this kinda of thing into this novels. I heard about NSA spying on phones before Bush was President. Tom Clancy also predicated planes being used as weapons.
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Old 06-07-2013, 08:33 AM   #93
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There's not much difference between the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany, except maybe the body count, and the length of duration.
We have a thread for this topic. You should keep it there.
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Old 06-07-2013, 08:36 AM   #94
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We have a thread for this topic. You should keep it there.
Not if it applies here as well. You don't get to be the thought/post Nazi of the board.
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The nazi nazi?
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Old 06-07-2013, 08:45 AM   #96
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Not if it applies here as well. You don't get to be the thought/post Nazi of the board.
Just trying to be efficient. When you guys are losing an argument in one thread, you shouldn't run away to another one.
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Old 06-07-2013, 08:47 AM   #97
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Just trying to be efficient. When you guys are losing an argument in one thread, you shouldn't run away to another one.
You never did clarify that whole "Hitler hated communists because of it's Jewish orgins" thing.
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Not if it applies here as well. You don't get to be the thought/post Nazi of the board.
Also, just stop comparing things you don't like to Nazi's. No, I don't agree when anyone does it. We are not going to have a Nazi regime here in the U.S. - either from the left or the right.

When someone starts making speeches about how a certain type of human is bent on complete destruction of our nation and the fight will only end in their destruction or the U.S. destruction, Ill start worrying about Nazi's. Rhetoric about Islam hasn't not even reached the level that was seen in Germany.
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You never did clarify that whole "Hitler hated communists because of it's Jewish orgins" thing.
Marx was Jewish.

That was simple.
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Marx was Jewish.

That was simple.
He was a practicing, religious Jew?
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He was a practicing, religious Jew?
Did that matter to Hitler?
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Did that matter to Hitler?
Does it matter to you?
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Old 06-07-2013, 09:04 AM   #103
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Does it matter to you?
Does what matter? Whether someone practices a faith?I am not sure where you going now. You asked about Hitler and his dislike of Jews and Marxism.

The Nazi's sure didn't spare "non practicing Jews."
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Does what matter? Whether someone practices a faith?I am not sure where you going now. You asked about Hitler and his dislike of Jews and Marxism.

The Nazi's sure didn't spare "non practicing Jews."
Do you think that the "Jews" who started communism believed in God?
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Do you think that the "Jews" who started communism believed in God?
That is a question you would have to ask them. Maybe you could do your own research, find the answer to the question and let us know.
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