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Old 06-05-2013, 06:13 PM  
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NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

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The order, a copy of which has been obtained by the Guardian, requires Verizon on an "ongoing, daily basis" to give the NSA information on all telephone calls in its systems, both within the US and between the US and other countries.
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The secret Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (Fisa) granted the order to the FBI on April 25, giving the government unlimited authority to obtain the data for a specified three-month period ending on July 19.

Under the terms of the blanket order, the numbers of both parties on a call are handed over, as is location data, call duration, unique identifiers, and the time and duration of all calls. The contents of the conversation itself are not covered.
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Old 06-08-2013, 10:36 AM   #121
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Old 06-08-2013, 11:32 AM   #122
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Americans should be concerned about this.

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Old 06-08-2013, 11:36 AM   #123
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Old 06-08-2013, 05:47 PM   #124
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Old 06-08-2013, 06:56 PM   #125
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Thank you for finding that and posting it. We pretty much can just point and laugh at these O-Bot scumbags when they try to defend the piece of shit.
credit goes to bigchieftablet -- I merely commented
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Old 06-08-2013, 06:59 PM   #126
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[quote=Comrade Crapski;9737751]Thank you for finding that and posting it. We pretty much can just point and laugh at these O-Bot scumbags when they try to defend the piece of shit.[/QUOTE

I don't see a problem with this. He evolved on his opinion/cosmos
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Old 06-08-2013, 07:00 PM   #127
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WHAT ARE YOU AN IDIOT. BUSH DID THIS TEN TIMES WORSE/BigRedChief
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Old 06-08-2013, 10:17 PM   #129
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Old 06-08-2013, 10:46 PM   #130
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Laying it on one administration or another only plays into the system that allows such awful things like this to happen, because it discourages institutional analysis and instead focuses on isolated participants.
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Old 06-08-2013, 11:20 PM   #131
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Laying it on one administration or another only plays into the system that allows such awful things like this to happen, because it discourages institutional analysis and instead focuses on isolated participants.
People need to be put in jail if they commit crimes while in office. People need to be held to account.

Our system isn't perfect, but it beats the hell out of the rest of the world. We just let crooks get away with crimes because for some reason people think our "public servants" are actually our overlords.
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Old 06-08-2013, 11:21 PM   #132
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My point was not absolve Obama of guilt. He could have stopped the program, he didn't. But, I don't think the Republicans would have allowed him to stop it anyway. Just like closing Gitmo.

The point is that this is a national security vs. personal freedom issue. Not an Obama issue.

This will also continue under the next President. Just saying.......
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It will certainly continue if everybody keeps defending the corruption of their party of choice.
George Washington was right in his view of political parties.
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Old 06-08-2013, 11:37 PM   #133
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People need to be put in jail if they commit crimes while in office. People need to be held to account.

Our system isn't perfect, but it beats the hell out of the rest of the world. We just let crooks get away with crimes because for some reason people think our "public servants" are actually our overlords.
I never suggested otherwise.
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Old 06-09-2013, 06:43 AM   #134
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Watch The One Senator Who Voted Against The Patriot Act Warn What Would Happen (VIDEO)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...usaolp00000003

After the Guardian revealed that the National Security Agency seized millions of Verizon customers' phone records through a secret court order, Rep. Jim Sensenbrenner (R-Wis.), one of the authors of the legislation that opened the door to this practice, said he was stunned.

"I do not believe the released FISA order is consistent with the requirements of the Patriot Act," Sensenbrenner wrote in a letter to Attorney General Eric Holder. "How could the phone records of so many innocent Americans be relevant to an authorized investigation as required by the Act?"

But this sort of data collection -- along with what the NSA is doing through its PRISM program -- is exactly what then-Sen. Russ Feingold (D-Wis.) warned about when he was the only senator to vote against the Patriot Act in 2001.

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One provision that troubles me a great deal is a provision that permits the government under FISA to compel the production of records from any business regarding any person, if that information is sought in connection with an investigation of terrorism or espionage.
Now we're not talking here about travel records pertaining to a terrorist suspect, which we all can see can be highly relevant to an investigation of a terrorist plot. FISA already gives the FBI the power to get airline, train, hotel, car rental and other records of a suspect.

But under this bill, the government can compel the disclosure of the personal records of anyone -- perhaps someone who worked with, or lived next door to, or went to school with, or sat on an airplane with, or has been seen in the company of, or whose phone number was called by -- the target of the investigation.

And under this new provisions all business records can be compelled, including those containing sensitive personal information like medical records from hospitals or doctors, or educational records, or records of what books someone has taken out of the library. This is an enormous expansion of authority, under a law that provides only minimal judicial supervision.

(Watch the video above.)

On Thursday, Feingold put out a statement about the Guardian's report, saying, "In 2001, I first voted against the PATRIOT Act because much of it was simply an FBI wish list that included provisions allowing our government to go on fishing expeditions that collect information on virtually anyone."

"Today's report indicates that the government could be using FISA in an indiscriminate way that does not balance our legitimate concerns of national security with the necessity to preserve our fundamental civil rights," he added. "This is deeply troubling. I hope today's news will renew a serious conversation about how to protect the country while ensuring that the rights of law-abiding Americans are not violated."
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O'Bama's reaction to all of this? Steps taken to find out who leaked this information about their secret program. SOMEONE NEEDS PUNISHED
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