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Old 06-10-2013, 08:33 AM  
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Eric Snowden: Greatest American Hero Ever?

Eric Snowden: Greatest American Hero Ever?

The NSA leaker has come forward in a June 9 interview on The Guardian, the British media outlet that broke the story of the NSA acquisition of phone records and access to online activity. Edward Snowden, a 29-year-old former technical assistant for the CIA, has come forward to identify himself as the NSA whistleblower being sought in the release of NSA files. He said he is not hiding because he has not done anything wrong.

Snowden is currently an employee of a defense contractor Booz Allen Hamilton, and he has previously worked for various others. This has put him inside the National Security Agency for the last four years.

The NSA leaker, aware that he would be facing the ire of the U.S. government, made the choice to sacrifice his comfortable life in Hawaii and $200,000 salary to make the public aware of the depth of the privacy infringements that he claims exist. He says he doesn't want to live in a society like that.

The NSA leaker was a former CIA tech assistant

"The government has granted itself power it is not entitled to. There is no public oversight. The result is people like myself have the latitude to go further than they are allowed to," he said.

You can view Edward Snowden's video interview here.: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013...r-surveillance

The technology specialist is "holed up" in a motel in Hong Kong, basically waiting for the other shoe to drop.

He wrote a note that went with the second set of documents, according to The Guardian:

"I understand that I will be made to suffer for my actions," but "I will be satisfied if the federation of secret law, unequal pardon and irresistible executive powers that rule the world that I love are revealed even for an instant."

The head of NSA, James Clapper, has reported the leaks of the NSA documents as a crime. You can read about that here.
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Old 06-10-2013, 01:51 PM   #151
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Now you can adhere to the letter of the law if you want. I will stick with the spirit of the law.
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I don't go by interpretations. Especially, by men who will not be bound down by its chains. I go by what the document says on its face.
It is nice that you two are playing so nicely despite the fact that you are in complete disagreement about this. Perhaps you didn't notice though.
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Old 06-10-2013, 01:51 PM   #152
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Yeah that's my opinion. What the **** do you think this forum is?
Well, you have been given very concise reasons why the 4th HAS NOT been violated. For whatever reason, you seem to ignore those reasons and continue to maintain that it has been violated.

Therefore, your opinion doesn't seem to be based in reality or facts.

You're welcome to have it, however.
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Old 06-10-2013, 01:52 PM   #153
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If you have to ask......
Yes I do. Remember I'm a loon and stupid.
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Old 06-10-2013, 01:52 PM   #154
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Well then they should have kept it all legal, then they could bitch if he leaked it.
I'm not convinced that he leaked anything about the NSA doing anything illegal.
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Old 06-10-2013, 01:52 PM   #155
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I know that but it's being argued by some that private data records are no longer ours once given to another private entity. So if that's the Constitutional basis for a case what does it do to other laws under our current national security threats?
What other laws? You would have to more specific.

I don't understand the point with HIPPA that you are trying to make. Believe it or not, the Constitution doesn't specifically address every imaginable situation. Also, reasonable people disagree on the precise meaning of some parts of the Cons. Therefore, laws like HIPPA are passed to fill in the gaps and elimatinate questions of what is protected.

And, I assume you are against HIPPA since it is big govt over-reach and stiffles a doctor's 1st Am right to blab about whatever he wants. The market will sort out the blabbers from the ones who keep things private.
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Old 06-10-2013, 01:52 PM   #156
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It is nice that you two are playing so nicely despite the fact that you are in complete disagreement about this. Perhaps you didn't notice though.
Not exactly. I see your here to troll though and not contribute.

What he has said:
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Because KEEPING the oath about upholding the Constitution supersedes the oath that he broke.
Spirit and letter doesn't matter to me, I agree it's been violated both ways.
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I appreciate the question. I've answered this question many times and I'm happy to answer it again, but I'll have to get back to you on it.
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I'm not glossing over anything. The Fourth Amendment has been violated. It's been violated by judges who have tried to water it down. It has been violated by politicians and government agencies who want to make catching criminals and terrorists easier at the expense of the rights of ordinary law-abiding citizens.

You don't have to agree with me, but you can't say that I glossed over it.
We cannot enforce the Constitution according to one's opinion about the "Spirit" of the law. If you don't like the way it's written, then propose an amendment and take it to your local officials.
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Old 06-10-2013, 01:55 PM   #160
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No wonder our government is so out of control. People lining up to defend warrantless search and seizure.
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Yes I do. Remember I'm a loon and stupid.
I never said either of those things nor do I think them. Isn't it possible to disagree in a reasonable discourse?
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Not at all. Constant vigilance is imperative.
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I never said either of those things more do I think them. Isn't it possible to disagree in a reasonable discourse?
Oh noes, I wasn't referring to you, just using what someone else said, to get you to explain. I should have added this afterall. I almost did.
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Between this and the IRS one has to really wonder, if all this spying is really for terrorism.
The real problem here is that we have a administration that's shown itself to be very aggressive, to say the least, at targeting reporters, taxpayers, and political opponents in the AP/Rosen and IRS scandals. In that light, it's understandable that people are concerned about what that same administration will do with all of this data to which we now know it has access.

I share these concerns. But I haven't heard of any specific examples of the NSA breaking the law here (or violating the constitution). The place where people should be focusing their concern is on Congress. Congressional oversight needs to be our safeguard here, even more than the courts who tend to be rubber stamps. And of course, we need to get to the bottom of the Obama administration corruption of the IRS and Attorney General's office.
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The real problem here is that we have a administration that's shown itself to be very aggressive, to say the least, at targeting reporters, taxpayers, and political opponents in the AP/Rosen and IRS scandals. In that light, it's understandable that people are concerned about what that same administration will do with all of this data to which we now know it has access.

I share these concerns. But I haven't heard of any specific examples of the NSA breaking the law here (or violating the constitution). The place where people should be focusing their concern is on Congress. Congressional oversight needs to be our safeguard here, even more than the courts who tend to be rubber stamps. And of course, we need to get to the bottom of the Obama administration corruption of the IRS and Attorney General's office.
I agree with the Congressional oversight part. I still think such a large spy network is dangerous in general though, precisely because if an opponent or enemy of our Republic gets in the executive branch such things can be used for abuse. Then we can have one party in power who will not be as critical of any chief executive too. So I'd rather not have it. Another reason is that this has been the longest war, 10 years and may "never end."

Remember we have men like McCain and Graham up there. I know you like those two but I don't.
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