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Old 06-10-2013, 08:33 AM  
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Eric Snowden: Greatest American Hero Ever?

Eric Snowden: Greatest American Hero Ever?

The NSA leaker has come forward in a June 9 interview on The Guardian, the British media outlet that broke the story of the NSA acquisition of phone records and access to online activity. Edward Snowden, a 29-year-old former technical assistant for the CIA, has come forward to identify himself as the NSA whistleblower being sought in the release of NSA files. He said he is not hiding because he has not done anything wrong.

Snowden is currently an employee of a defense contractor Booz Allen Hamilton, and he has previously worked for various others. This has put him inside the National Security Agency for the last four years.

The NSA leaker, aware that he would be facing the ire of the U.S. government, made the choice to sacrifice his comfortable life in Hawaii and $200,000 salary to make the public aware of the depth of the privacy infringements that he claims exist. He says he doesn't want to live in a society like that.

The NSA leaker was a former CIA tech assistant

"The government has granted itself power it is not entitled to. There is no public oversight. The result is people like myself have the latitude to go further than they are allowed to," he said.

You can view Edward Snowden's video interview here.: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013...r-surveillance

The technology specialist is "holed up" in a motel in Hong Kong, basically waiting for the other shoe to drop.

He wrote a note that went with the second set of documents, according to The Guardian:

"I understand that I will be made to suffer for my actions," but "I will be satisfied if the federation of secret law, unequal pardon and irresistible executive powers that rule the world that I love are revealed even for an instant."

The head of NSA, James Clapper, has reported the leaks of the NSA documents as a crime. You can read about that here.
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Old 06-10-2013, 02:01 PM   #166
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The real problem here is that we have a administration that's shown itself to be very aggressive, to say the least, at targeting reporters, taxpayers, and political opponents in the AP/Rosen and IRS scandals. In that light, it's understandable that people are concerned about what that same administration will do with all of this data to which we now know it has access.

I share these concerns. But I haven't heard of any specific examples of the NSA breaking the law here (or violating the constitution). The place where people should be focusing their concern is on Congress. Congressional oversight needs to be our safeguard here, even more than the courts who tend to be rubber stamps. And of course, we need to get to the bottom of the Obama administration corruption of the IRS and Attorney General's office.
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Old 06-10-2013, 02:01 PM   #167
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The real problem here is that we have a administration that's shown itself to be very aggressive, to say the least, at targeting reporters, taxpayers, and political opponents in the AP/Rosen and IRS scandals. In that light, it's understandable that people are concerned about what that same administration will do with all of this data to which we now know it has access.

I share these concerns. But I haven't heard of any specific examples of the NSA breaking the law here (or violating the constitution). The place where people should be focusing their concern is on Congress. Congressional oversight needs to be our safeguard here, even more than the courts who tend to be rubber stamps. And of course, we need to get to the bottom of the Obama administration corruption of the IRS and Attorney General's office.
And when congressional oversight fails completely, what then?
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Old 06-10-2013, 02:02 PM   #168
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And when congressional oversight fails completely, what then?
Are you asking a hypothetical?
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Old 06-10-2013, 02:02 PM   #169
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It's fascism.




Another marker of Fascist Policy

The government does not acknowledge any restraint upon its powers. ( The SCOTUS decision past SCOTUS decision on handing private data to a third party no longer being private...as in private from the govt. This includes those you use it as a legitimate defense.)
I've never seen anyone so obsessed with labels. You seem to truly love all the different categories on the political spectrum and have made a hobby of classifying every issue and person under its appropriate sub-sub-sub category. I think I've seen you list maybe 7 different types of conservatives and your economic systems must be in the teens.

I think that on any particular issue, you don't actually consider its merits or how reasonable it may or may not be. Instead, you first analyze into which subcategory you can shove it into. Then you decide if it is acceptable.
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Old 06-10-2013, 02:03 PM   #170
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I think it's good for everyone that this Snowden guy did what he did. And it's more than clear that the government has been doing things it shouldn't. But I still don't believe for a second that any "White House death squads" were hunting anybody over this. That still sounds ridiculous even in light of what we've found out so far.....
I basically agree with this. Broadly without details and without getting into the slippery slope that the guy himself created it is nice to see a pendulum swing back the other way when you get the feeling it was going to far out of control in one direction.
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No wonder our government is so out of control. People lining up to defend warrantless search and seizure.
There was court approval.
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Old 06-10-2013, 02:04 PM   #172
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Are you asking a hypothetical?
Sure. Let's pretend Snowden had said nothing.
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I've never seen anyone so obsessed with labels. You seem to truly love all the different categories on the political spectrum and have made a hobby of classifying every issue and person under its appropriate sub-sub-sub category. I think I've seen you list maybe 7 different types of conservatives and your economic systems must be in the teens.

I think that on any particular issue, you don't actually consider its merits or how reasonable it may or may not be. Instead, you first analyze into which subcategory you can shove it into. Then you decide if it is acceptable.
You are Neo-Fascist Zoom Dweeby.
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Old 06-10-2013, 02:05 PM   #174
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There was court approval.
Well I guess that makes it all okay then.
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Sure. Let's pretend Snowden had said nothing.
Then only the respective members of government would be aware of it, including congressional oversight.
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I share these concerns. But I haven't heard of any specific examples of the NSA breaking the law here (or violating the constitution). The place where people should be focusing their concern is on Congress. Congressional oversight needs to be our safeguard here, even more than the courts who tend to be rubber stamps.
I'm all for oversight but I don't trust PEOPLE to provide it. What do you think about my idea to allow for the collection of data but make it law that it has to be anonymized. That way it can be analyzed for patterns and threats but would require a specific court order to tie the data to real people. I think that would take a great deal of the "abuse" possibility off the table.
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Then only the respective members of government would be aware of it, including congressional oversight.
So accessing all of our private data is ok because we wouldn't know about it?
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So accessing all of our private data is ok because we wouldn't know about it?
Again, you seem to be having issues with understanding the difference between "being okay with it" and "illegal"
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