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Old 06-10-2013, 08:33 AM  
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Eric Snowden: Greatest American Hero Ever?

Eric Snowden: Greatest American Hero Ever?

The NSA leaker has come forward in a June 9 interview on The Guardian, the British media outlet that broke the story of the NSA acquisition of phone records and access to online activity. Edward Snowden, a 29-year-old former technical assistant for the CIA, has come forward to identify himself as the NSA whistleblower being sought in the release of NSA files. He said he is not hiding because he has not done anything wrong.

Snowden is currently an employee of a defense contractor Booz Allen Hamilton, and he has previously worked for various others. This has put him inside the National Security Agency for the last four years.

The NSA leaker, aware that he would be facing the ire of the U.S. government, made the choice to sacrifice his comfortable life in Hawaii and $200,000 salary to make the public aware of the depth of the privacy infringements that he claims exist. He says he doesn't want to live in a society like that.

The NSA leaker was a former CIA tech assistant

"The government has granted itself power it is not entitled to. There is no public oversight. The result is people like myself have the latitude to go further than they are allowed to," he said.

You can view Edward Snowden's video interview here.: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013...r-surveillance

The technology specialist is "holed up" in a motel in Hong Kong, basically waiting for the other shoe to drop.

He wrote a note that went with the second set of documents, according to The Guardian:

"I understand that I will be made to suffer for my actions," but "I will be satisfied if the federation of secret law, unequal pardon and irresistible executive powers that rule the world that I love are revealed even for an instant."

The head of NSA, James Clapper, has reported the leaks of the NSA documents as a crime. You can read about that here.
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Old 06-10-2013, 02:11 PM   #181
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I'm all for oversight but I don't trust PEOPLE to provide it. What do you think about my idea to allow for the collection of data but make it law that it has to be anonymized. That way it can be analyzed for patterns and threats but would require a specific court order to tie the data to real people. I think that would take a great deal of the "abuse" possibility off the table.
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Old 06-10-2013, 02:12 PM   #182
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No wonder our government is so out of control. People lining up to defend warrantless search and seizure.
Yup! You will know them by their fruits.
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Old 06-10-2013, 02:12 PM   #183
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That's the risk you take when you have a bunch of secret shit going on. And I am of the opinion that I would rather be free and at risk than be safe without rights.
That's easy to say when you sit in freedom protected at least in part through the secrets kept by our government. When the risk becomes real, it might not be so easy as you'll realize then that "risk" means risk to lose it all, including both freedom and life.
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Old 06-10-2013, 02:13 PM   #184
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Again, you seem to be having issues with understanding the difference between "being okay with it" and "illegal"
Exactly. I'm not ok with it, but yelling that it's a violation of the 4th is wrong and does nothing to further my goals. If we stick to reality and keep focused on why this is a very real problem, maybe, just maybe we can get some legitimate changes made.
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Old 06-10-2013, 02:13 PM   #185
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That's easy to say when you sit in freedom protected at least in part through the secrets kept by our government. When the risk becomes real, it might not be so easy as you'll realize then that "risk" means risk to lose it all, including both freedom and life.
Indeed. There does seem to be a bit of chest puffing/beating to this issue.
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Old 06-10-2013, 02:13 PM   #186
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You ****er! You ruined it!

Damnit! This is why I can't have nice things!
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Old 06-10-2013, 02:14 PM   #187
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Again, you seem to be having issues with understanding the difference between "being okay with it" and "illegal"
I'm not having an issue understanding it. I'm saying that if someone doesn't sack up and say something, like Snowden did, then it's going to continue.

The people doing it are the people who make the laws. Of course they made it legal, otherwise they might get in trouble. That doesn't mean we should let them.
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It violates the fourth per its language and even reasonable people can disagree about it.
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Old 06-10-2013, 02:16 PM   #189
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That's easy to say when you sit in freedom protected at least in part through the secrets kept by our government. When the risk becomes real, it might not be so easy as you'll realize then that "risk" means risk to lose it all, including both freedom and life.
**** you. I know exactly what it means.
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And when congressional oversight fails completely, what then?
Elect a different Congressman. Preferably, a Republican.
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Old 06-10-2013, 02:17 PM   #191
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Old 06-10-2013, 02:18 PM   #192
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I'm not having an issue understanding it. I'm saying that if someone doesn't sack up and say something, like Snowden did, then it's going to continue.

The people doing it are the people who make the laws. Of course they made it legal, otherwise they might get in trouble. That doesn't mean we should let them.
Well, you keep saying it, so I disagree.
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Old 06-10-2013, 02:21 PM   #193
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**** you. I know exactly what it means.
I think you do. Senator Rand Paul, former Rep Ron Paul and Judge Napolitano and many more have the same understanding.

I mean it's not like Muslim jihadists are killing us for OUR freedom: for our women to dress without a scarf, veil or burka, or because they think our society is libertine and pagan, our free press ( what a joke they've become) or our Bill of Rights, which we're losing. They're doing it because of our policies in their lands. Very easy to resolve and without abandoning Israel.
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Elect a different Congressman. Preferably, a Republican.
Just not when a Republican is in the WH though. Especially a Progressive one.
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I'm all for oversight but I don't trust PEOPLE to provide it. What do you think about my idea to allow for the collection of data but make it law that it has to be anonymized. That way it can be analyzed for patterns and threats but would require a specific court order to tie the data to real people. I think that would take a great deal of the "abuse" possibility off the table.
I'm not fully up to speed on the disclosures, but my understanding is that that's how it already works. First the NSA gets court approval to analyze the data for connections to a known/suspected foreign terrorist and then they go back to the courts for further approval before they can focus their attention on a domestic node.

I don't know that the data itself is anonymized, but based on what I've heard, the focus of the government under this program is on anonymous hunks of data until they get at least two court approvals.

I can understand that it's troubling to collect all the data initially and to rely on the honor system and oversight from courts and Congress to insure that the NSA doesn't look at names without approval. Maybe there's a way to anonymize the data without losing the ability to get to that identifier data quickly in the event that you have a valid and constitutionally justified reason to go after it, but I'm not sure. If there is, I'm for it.
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