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Old 06-10-2013, 08:33 AM  
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Eric Snowden: Greatest American Hero Ever?

Eric Snowden: Greatest American Hero Ever?

The NSA leaker has come forward in a June 9 interview on The Guardian, the British media outlet that broke the story of the NSA acquisition of phone records and access to online activity. Edward Snowden, a 29-year-old former technical assistant for the CIA, has come forward to identify himself as the NSA whistleblower being sought in the release of NSA files. He said he is not hiding because he has not done anything wrong.

Snowden is currently an employee of a defense contractor Booz Allen Hamilton, and he has previously worked for various others. This has put him inside the National Security Agency for the last four years.

The NSA leaker, aware that he would be facing the ire of the U.S. government, made the choice to sacrifice his comfortable life in Hawaii and $200,000 salary to make the public aware of the depth of the privacy infringements that he claims exist. He says he doesn't want to live in a society like that.

The NSA leaker was a former CIA tech assistant

"The government has granted itself power it is not entitled to. There is no public oversight. The result is people like myself have the latitude to go further than they are allowed to," he said.

You can view Edward Snowden's video interview here.: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013...r-surveillance

The technology specialist is "holed up" in a motel in Hong Kong, basically waiting for the other shoe to drop.

He wrote a note that went with the second set of documents, according to The Guardian:

"I understand that I will be made to suffer for my actions," but "I will be satisfied if the federation of secret law, unequal pardon and irresistible executive powers that rule the world that I love are revealed even for an instant."

The head of NSA, James Clapper, has reported the leaks of the NSA documents as a crime. You can read about that here.
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Old 06-10-2013, 07:00 PM   #241
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This thread is like watching passengers move the deck chairs around on the Titanic.

"No, put them here!"

"I said they look better over here!"

Folks, it's over.

The Police State is no longer de facto, it is now de jure.


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Old 06-10-2013, 07:00 PM   #242
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The nice thing about this is that the neo-conservatives have to come out nakedly in favor of big government on both sides of the aisle. Now the grass roots conservatives see guys like Krauthammer and Kristol in league with Clinton and Feinstein, and realize that these guys are only pretending.
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Old 06-10-2013, 07:03 PM   #243
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Old 06-10-2013, 07:10 PM   #244
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What happens when the people in power use the IRS to crush their political opposition and the NSA to spy on citizens who seek to remove them from power?...
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Old 06-10-2013, 07:13 PM   #245
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Hero? He didn't expose a secret conspiracy within the government. He didn't expose atrocities committed by the government. He didn't expose secret alliances with terrorists, foreign governments or secret death squads.

Where is the "heroic" actions? I think some of you need to relearn what the definition of a hero is.
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I'm not saying it's morally right or wrong, but does it make the child because of it? Think about that for a second.
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Old 06-10-2013, 07:28 PM   #246
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Old 06-10-2013, 07:29 PM   #247
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Hero? He didn't expose a secret conspiracy within the government. He didn't expose atrocities committed by the government. He didn't expose secret alliances with terrorists, foreign governments or secret death squads.

Where is the "heroic" actions? I think some of you need to relearn what the definition of a hero is.

All true. So far so good. However, if in fact, NSA has intercepted emails from US Citizens or people in the US, that is a clear violation of the Patriot Act.

What we see going on is the breakdown of trust. People who support the PA seem to feel it is not being followed by this administration. People who oppose the PA see this as support for their position. Regardless of what was or was not done under Bush, a violation is a violation. Time will tell.

What the guy did do is expose allegations to scrutiny. He is no hero. He may be a traitor. He needs to answer for his actions. Questions need to be asked and proof provided that the law has been followed. Then Obama and his squad can answer for theirs. Get the proof first.

Separate emails from telephone records...its two separate issues.

And in the end some things dont add up. Building a complex the size they are building to hold all this information makes one think they are gathering one hell of a lot more data than they should, more than they need, and much more than they have been authorized to gather and keep.
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Old 06-10-2013, 07:41 PM   #248
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All true. So far so good. However, if in fact, NSA has intercepted emails from US Citizens or people in the US, that is a clear violation of the Patriot Act.

What we see going on is the breakdown of trust. People who support the PA seem to feel it is not being followed by this administration. People who oppose the PA see this as support for their position. Regardless of what was or was not done under Bush, a violation is a violation. Time will tell.

What the guy did do is expose allegations to scrutiny. He is no hero. He may be a traitor. He needs to answer for his actions. Questions need to be asked and proof provided that the law has been followed. Then Obama and his squad can answer for theirs. Get the proof first.

Separate emails from telephone records...its two separate issues.

And in the end some things dont add up. Building a complex the size they are building to hold all this information makes one think they are gathering one hell of a lot more data than they should, more than they need, and much more than they have been authorized to gather and keep.
Well, you sure have been doing a lot of ranting based on "if."
And what is the proper size of a building?

You've built a great case, based on "if" X happened and a building, that in your opinion, is too big.

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Old 06-10-2013, 08:09 PM   #249
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Old 06-10-2013, 08:21 PM   #250
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And in the end some things dont add up. Building a complex the size they are building to hold all this information makes one think they are gathering one hell of a lot more data than they should, more than they need, and much more than they have been authorized to gather and keep.
How many people are in the world minus those in the United States?

Also the Utah Data Center is the same size as the new Nuclear Facility off 150, they are both 1.5 million square feet.
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Old 06-10-2013, 08:26 PM   #251
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Hero? He didn't expose a secret conspiracy within the government. He didn't expose atrocities committed by the government. He didn't expose secret alliances with terrorists, foreign governments or secret death squads.

Where is the "heroic" actions? I think some of you need to relearn what the definition of a hero is.
I didn't call him a hero but he exposed some of the huge lies our country is now built upon since nine eleven. that's patriotic.
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Old 06-10-2013, 08:30 PM   #252
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How many people are in the world minus those in the United States?

Also the Utah Data Center is the same size as the new Nuclear Facility off 150, they are both 1.5 million square feet.
Thats just the number being reported on security clearances handed out , over the last few years. Crazy
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Thats just the number being reported on security clearances handed out , over the last few years. Crazy
What's scary is this facility is not even going to big enough to hold all the data. They just started building another facility in Maryland
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Old 06-10-2013, 08:36 PM   #254
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did he do something morally wrong is not the question...
did he do anything illegal is the question


This shit needs to stop
I am a liberal, and I believe the executive branch has way to much power
and nobody is gonna slap them down

the Supremes are to busy doing corpRAT's will

the house and senate are to busy making sure nothing happens to actually do anything


should get an impeachment soon, for some BS like they did to Clinton
and nobody is trying to help the country

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How many people are in the world minus those in the United States?

Also the Utah Data Center is the same size as the new Nuclear Facility off 150, they are both 1.5 million square feet.
Lots of people.

And really not that big an issue but the size and scope is a bit bigger than the facility off 150 highway. 1.9 million square feet not including all the mechanical and support facilities.

http://nsa.gov1.info/utah-data-center/

And just to fix another error in your post....its not a nuclear facility. Its a facility for non nuclear parts "manufacture non-nuclear mechanical, electronic, and engineered materials for national defense systems."

http://www.gsa.gov/portal/content/10...aign=shortcuts


Nice try. Stick to things you may understand.
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