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Old 06-10-2013, 08:33 AM  
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Eric Snowden: Greatest American Hero Ever?

Eric Snowden: Greatest American Hero Ever?

The NSA leaker has come forward in a June 9 interview on The Guardian, the British media outlet that broke the story of the NSA acquisition of phone records and access to online activity. Edward Snowden, a 29-year-old former technical assistant for the CIA, has come forward to identify himself as the NSA whistleblower being sought in the release of NSA files. He said he is not hiding because he has not done anything wrong.

Snowden is currently an employee of a defense contractor Booz Allen Hamilton, and he has previously worked for various others. This has put him inside the National Security Agency for the last four years.

The NSA leaker, aware that he would be facing the ire of the U.S. government, made the choice to sacrifice his comfortable life in Hawaii and $200,000 salary to make the public aware of the depth of the privacy infringements that he claims exist. He says he doesn't want to live in a society like that.

The NSA leaker was a former CIA tech assistant

"The government has granted itself power it is not entitled to. There is no public oversight. The result is people like myself have the latitude to go further than they are allowed to," he said.

You can view Edward Snowden's video interview here.: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013...r-surveillance

The technology specialist is "holed up" in a motel in Hong Kong, basically waiting for the other shoe to drop.

He wrote a note that went with the second set of documents, according to The Guardian:

"I understand that I will be made to suffer for my actions," but "I will be satisfied if the federation of secret law, unequal pardon and irresistible executive powers that rule the world that I love are revealed even for an instant."

The head of NSA, James Clapper, has reported the leaks of the NSA documents as a crime. You can read about that here.
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Old 08-14-2013, 02:58 PM   #556
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Yes, but they classified the fact that they were shitting on the 4th amendment.
Well, how illegal of them.
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Old 08-14-2013, 03:00 PM   #557
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Yes, but they classified the fact that they were shitting on the 4th amendment.
Not going to delve into this one, eh?

That's odd. Snowden DID make direct contact with the Washington Post as well.
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Old 08-14-2013, 03:01 PM   #558
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He outted them for shitting on the fourth amendment.
Would you care to be more specific?
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Old 08-14-2013, 03:06 PM   #559
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Would you care to be more specific?
No, I've posted in this thread several times and made my position pretty clear.
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Old 08-14-2013, 03:07 PM   #560
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No, I've posted in this thread several times and made my position pretty clear.
Okay.
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Old 08-15-2013, 06:05 AM   #561
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It's not like he sold the codes to the nuclear football. He outted them for shitting on the fourth amendment.
Yes.

But by releasing classified information about data mining american citizens, he was betraying american citizens.

The man is a traitor. He betrayed the government for the people... what a bastard!
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Old 08-15-2013, 06:39 AM   #562
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Yes.

But by releasing classified information about data mining american citizens, he was betraying american citizens.

The man is a traitor. He betrayed the government for the people... what a bastard!
We're doomed!
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Old 08-15-2013, 09:55 AM   #563
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Why Edward Snowden Cannot Receive a Fair Trial in the United States

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Snowden will not be able to make the case he’d like to make in court because, contrary to common sense, there is no public interest or whistleblower exception under the Espionage Act. In recent cases, prosecutors have convinced courts that the intent of the leaker, the value of leaks to the public, and the lack of harm caused by the leaks are irrelevant, and are therefore inadmissible in court.

This means Snowden would never be ableto tell the jury that his intent was not to help foreign countries or harm the U.S., but to inform the American public about the government’s secret interpretations of laws used to justify spying on millions of citizens without their knowledge.

Snowden would also not be able to explain to a jury that his leaks sparked more than a dozen bills in Congress, and half a dozen lawsuits, all designed to rein in unconstitutional surveillance. He wouldn’t be allowed to explain how his leaks caught an official lying to Congress, or that they’ve led to an unprecedented review of government secrecy.
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Old 08-22-2013, 11:09 AM   #565
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I'm really torn on this one. It looks like the NSA is now under some fire for doing some shady shit.
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Old 08-22-2013, 11:53 AM   #566
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I'm really torn on this one. It looks like the NSA is now under some fire for doing some shady shit.
They're supposed to do shady shit. That's why they were created.

The fire you're hearing is unsubstantiated speculation. Dunderheads like James Clapper and scandals in politically compromised organizations like the IRS and the Justice Department don't help matters, but so far, nothing damning about the NSA has come out. Our Congressional representatives should investigate to resolve some of the issues that have been raised, but beware of the political posturing and self-serving hyperventilation you're likely to hear. Pay more attention to what the members of the intelligence committees have to say.
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Old 08-22-2013, 12:02 PM   #567
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They're supposed to do shady shit. That's why they were created.

The fire you're hearing is unsubstantiated speculation. Dunderheads like James Clapper and scandals in politically compromised organizations like the IRS and the Justice Department don't help matters, but so far, nothing damning about the NSA has come out. Our Congressional representatives should investigate to resolve some of the issues that have been raised, but beware of the political posturing and self-serving hyperventilation you're likely to hear. Pay more attention to what the members of the intelligence committees have to say.
This is totally not in my wheel house, so I'm trying to sift through the BS. It seems the courts are coming down on the NSA as well and that's more what I'm interested in hearing more of.

"This court is troubled that the government's revelations regarding NSA's acquisition of Internet transactions mark the third instance in less than three years in which the government has disclosed a substantial misrepresentation regarding the scope of a major collection program," Bates added in a footnoted passage that had portions heavily blacked out.
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Old 08-22-2013, 12:04 PM   #568
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The fact that they're collecting metadata on every american citizen and tracking everything we say and do online is pretty damning.
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Old 08-22-2013, 12:04 PM   #569
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I wonder if Eric Snowden is gonna go for a sex change like Chelsea Manning.
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I wonder if Eric Snowden is gonna go for a sex change like Chelsea Manning.
I saw that today and I can't remember a more odd turn of events in a national story like that. That's like daytime soap shit.
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