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Old 06-10-2013, 08:33 AM  
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Eric Snowden: Greatest American Hero Ever?

Eric Snowden: Greatest American Hero Ever?

The NSA leaker has come forward in a June 9 interview on The Guardian, the British media outlet that broke the story of the NSA acquisition of phone records and access to online activity. Edward Snowden, a 29-year-old former technical assistant for the CIA, has come forward to identify himself as the NSA whistleblower being sought in the release of NSA files. He said he is not hiding because he has not done anything wrong.

Snowden is currently an employee of a defense contractor Booz Allen Hamilton, and he has previously worked for various others. This has put him inside the National Security Agency for the last four years.

The NSA leaker, aware that he would be facing the ire of the U.S. government, made the choice to sacrifice his comfortable life in Hawaii and $200,000 salary to make the public aware of the depth of the privacy infringements that he claims exist. He says he doesn't want to live in a society like that.

The NSA leaker was a former CIA tech assistant

"The government has granted itself power it is not entitled to. There is no public oversight. The result is people like myself have the latitude to go further than they are allowed to," he said.

You can view Edward Snowden's video interview here.: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013...r-surveillance

The technology specialist is "holed up" in a motel in Hong Kong, basically waiting for the other shoe to drop.

He wrote a note that went with the second set of documents, according to The Guardian:

"I understand that I will be made to suffer for my actions," but "I will be satisfied if the federation of secret law, unequal pardon and irresistible executive powers that rule the world that I love are revealed even for an instant."

The head of NSA, James Clapper, has reported the leaks of the NSA documents as a crime. You can read about that here.
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Old 08-22-2013, 12:08 PM   #571
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but so far, nothing damning about the NSA has come out.
http://swampland.time.com/2013/08/21...-surveillance/
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Old 08-22-2013, 12:19 PM   #572
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This is totally not in my wheel house, so I'm trying to sift through the BS. It seems the courts are coming down on the NSA as well and that's more what I'm interested in hearing more of.

"This court is troubled that the government's revelations regarding NSA's acquisition of Internet transactions mark the third instance in less than three years in which the government has disclosed a substantial misrepresentation regarding the scope of a major collection program," Bates added in a footnoted passage that had portions heavily blacked out.
What you're seeing is exposure of the internal checks and balances that keep the NSA from pushing the edge of the envelope too far.

If the FISA court never slaps the hand of the NSA and tells it no, you hear people complain that the court is nothing but a rubber stamp. If they do occasionally issue a rebuke, you hear people pointing to it and saying that it's proof that the NSA is out of control.
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Old 08-22-2013, 12:21 PM   #573
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See my previous post.

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The agency discovered the problem in 2011, and unilaterally brought it to the attention of the court and congressional intelligence committees, officials said.

Intelligence officials said the improper collection was the result of a technological issue, and not an effort by the spy agency to reach into domestic communications. “This is not an egregious overreaching by a greedy agency seeking to spy on Americans,” one official said. “This is a technological problem.”
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Old 08-22-2013, 12:23 PM   #574
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I saw that today and I can't remember a more odd turn of events in a national story like that. That's like daytime soap shit.
I keep thinking about the Stan/Loretta character from Life of Brian.
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Old 08-22-2013, 12:24 PM   #575
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Yeah, I'll be sure to take James Clapper's word on it that they aren't misusing any data they collect.
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Old 08-22-2013, 12:24 PM   #576
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I saw that today and I can't remember a more odd turn of events in a national story like that. That's like daytime soap shit.
Maybe he thinks the women's prison will be preferable to the men's.
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Old 08-22-2013, 12:25 PM   #577
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Yeah, I'll be sure to take James Clapper's word on it that they aren't misusing any data they collect.
Right. You're the kind of person I was talking about when I mentioned that we'd hear a lot of unsubstantiated speculation. Keep on keepin' on.
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Old 08-22-2013, 12:27 PM   #578
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Right. You're the kind of person I was talking about when I mentioned that we'd hear a lot of unsubstantiated speculation. Keep on keepin' on.
The guy lied under oath.
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Old 08-22-2013, 12:29 PM   #579
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Maybe he thinks the women's prison will be preferable to the men's.
I'd have to agree with that line of thinking. In prison, I assume it's always better to give than receive.
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Old 08-22-2013, 12:35 PM   #580
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The guy lied under oath.
So what? I'm not telling you to take his word for it. I didn't even bring him into the picture (other than calling him a dunderhead). You're just looking for excuses to let your mind run free. Like I said, unsubstantiated speculation.
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Old 08-22-2013, 12:37 PM   #581
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So what? I'm not telling you to take his word for it. I didn't even bring him into the picture (other than calling him a dunderhead). You're just looking for excuses to let your mind run free. Like I said, unsubstantiated speculation.
If you still think the US government is committed to securing the rights of the citizens, you haven't been paying attention.
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Old 08-22-2013, 12:47 PM   #582
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If you still think the US government is committed to securing the rights of the citizens, you haven't been paying attention.
OK. Any other strawmen you'd like to discuss?
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Old 08-22-2013, 12:51 PM   #583
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OK. Any other strawmen you'd like to discuss?
No, I wish I shared your optimism about this utopian government that is beyond corruption. I just don't.
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No, I wish I shared your optimism about this utopian government that is beyond corruption. I just don't.
That's two strawmen. Any more?
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That's two strawmen. Any more?
Governments abuse power.

Deflect that argument.
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