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Old 06-10-2013, 08:33 AM  
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Eric Snowden: Greatest American Hero Ever?

Eric Snowden: Greatest American Hero Ever?

The NSA leaker has come forward in a June 9 interview on The Guardian, the British media outlet that broke the story of the NSA acquisition of phone records and access to online activity. Edward Snowden, a 29-year-old former technical assistant for the CIA, has come forward to identify himself as the NSA whistleblower being sought in the release of NSA files. He said he is not hiding because he has not done anything wrong.

Snowden is currently an employee of a defense contractor Booz Allen Hamilton, and he has previously worked for various others. This has put him inside the National Security Agency for the last four years.

The NSA leaker, aware that he would be facing the ire of the U.S. government, made the choice to sacrifice his comfortable life in Hawaii and $200,000 salary to make the public aware of the depth of the privacy infringements that he claims exist. He says he doesn't want to live in a society like that.

The NSA leaker was a former CIA tech assistant

"The government has granted itself power it is not entitled to. There is no public oversight. The result is people like myself have the latitude to go further than they are allowed to," he said.

You can view Edward Snowden's video interview here.: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013...r-surveillance

The technology specialist is "holed up" in a motel in Hong Kong, basically waiting for the other shoe to drop.

He wrote a note that went with the second set of documents, according to The Guardian:

"I understand that I will be made to suffer for my actions," but "I will be satisfied if the federation of secret law, unequal pardon and irresistible executive powers that rule the world that I love are revealed even for an instant."

The head of NSA, James Clapper, has reported the leaks of the NSA documents as a crime. You can read about that here.
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Old 06-10-2013, 01:11 PM   #121
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Ok, you're still not getting it. The 4th protects your data IN YOUR POSSESSION. As a matter of fact, courts have upheld that even if your data is not in your possession and is seized you don't have to give up any passwords to that data (5th Amendment protection). But once that data is held by SOMEONE ELSE, you have waived your 4th Amendment rights concerning it.

This was a fine interpretation a few years ago but as EVERYTHING moves to cloud services and such... the Supreme COurt is probably going to need to update this... or people need to start using encryption on everything.
It shouldn't be that broad.
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Old 06-10-2013, 01:14 PM   #122
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Rand Paul to take a class-action lawsuit to the SCOTUS regarding NSA spying.
http://www.salon.com/2013/06/09/rand...ing_to_scotus/

Only problem, is there's no consistent Constitutionalists on the bench anymore.


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Old 06-10-2013, 01:15 PM   #123
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Ok, you're still not getting it. The 4th protects your data IN YOUR POSSESSION. As a matter of fact, courts have upheld that even if your data is not in your possession and is seized you don't have to give up any passwords to that data (5th Amendment protection). But once that data is held by SOMEONE ELSE, you have waived your 4th Amendment rights concerning it.

This was a fine interpretation a few years ago but as EVERYTHING moves to cloud services and such... the Supreme COurt is probably going to need to update this... or people need to start using encryption on everything.
Oh I think we actually agree on the reality of what has happened. I understand that our corrupt government has granted themselves the license to do things that should be illegal under the cover of legality. That does need to be revisited at the Supreme Court level and returned to something that agrees with the Constitution.

Where we part, is you seem to think that as long as our government has made something "technically legal" that it's ok. I don't agree.
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Old 06-10-2013, 01:21 PM   #124
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Oh I think we actually agree on the reality of what has happened. I understand that our corrupt government has granted themselves the license to do things that should be illegal under the cover of legality. That does need to be revisited at the Supreme Court level and returned to something that agrees with the Constitution.

Where we part, is you seem to think that as long as our government has made something "technically legal" that it's ok. I don't agree.
Plus, if that's all true what does that do to something like HIPPA? So your doctor can blab about your health issues to anyone including govt now? Your lawyer? Your psychiatrist? Your priest?


Rand Paul disagrees with those past decisions.
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Old 06-10-2013, 01:22 PM   #125
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Where we part, is you seem to think that as long as our government has made something "technically legal" that it's ok. I don't agree.
I think you need to go back and read a little more closely.
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Old 06-10-2013, 01:26 PM   #126
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Those are not the govt but private entities. Last I checked the Constitution restrains the Federal govt. The govt set up private rooms in those places to get that information.



As if all judges on the SC don't make legal errors. Let's start with ACA not even knowing the Origination Clause if it were really a tax.
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How does breaking an oath make you a hero?
Because Snowden broke the law.

Leaking something illegal.

Well, not illegal but icky.
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Ya' know it's not that the govt can listen to or read everything. It's the pre-crime threat for enforcement using threat markers or behaviors this could lead to. Just combine it with the NDAA and what the IRS has been up do. Think Brandon Raub and what happened to him. Gives me the shivers.


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http://news.cnet.com/8301-31921_3-20...ime-detection/
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Because Snowden broke the law.

Leaking something illegal.

Well, not illegal but icky.
Huh. Guess I need to redefine my definitions.
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How does breaking an oath make you a hero?
If he took an oath to uphold the Constitution that is the senior oath. He kept that.
Whistleblowers are usually the ones telling on who is actually breaking the law—not the other way around.
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This makes me wonder if the Obama Admin blackmailed Justice Roberts before he decided ACA. Anything is possible.

Yes, that's it! You've figured it out! Well done.


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How does breaking an oath make you a hero?
Because KEEPING the oath about upholding the Constitution supersedes the oath that he broke.
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I don't go by interpretations. Especially, by men who will not be bound down by its chains. I go by what the document says on its face.
So now YOU are arguing that this isn't a 4th Am issue. I assume you aren't arguing any type of 'privacy' aspect, cause that ain't mentioned in the Constitution either.

NOTE TO NUTJOBS: I am not saying that I do not believe in a right to privacy. I am saying that it is not specifically mentioned in the Constitution.
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