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Old 06-11-2013, 06:47 PM  
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Betraying the country that has betrayed you..

Had a very interesting discussion today with a few peeps on the Snowden ordeal and some very interesting points were made. Basically it goes like this...


Snowden is being called a "Traitor" in some corners and a "Hero" in others. If you look at the majority of the people calling him the former you see the mainstream, DC ilk from both sides of the isle. You also see a lot of corporate suck-ups as well. On the other side you see people that while considered to be "whacko" a lot of times, generally care about the people even if some of their opinions are often misguided or fringe. And again, that is from both sides of the isle.

Example:

Boehner\Feinstein: Traitor

Beck\M. Moore: Hero

My eyebrows raised several times over the course of the last few days. One time was when President Obama said there has to be some "trade off" for security. I won't repost the Ben Franklin quote that seems to come to mind when you hear that.

Then you see 2 DC careers in Boehner and DiFi saying this guy is a traitor. When I see people such as them from both sides of the isle I ask myself are they genuine in their feelings or are they pissed because someone spit in their game?

So let's look at the people pointing the Traitor finger. Our government over the last few decades have gone to war, committed fraud, embezzled, cheated on taxes, allowed millions to sneak into the country illegally, bailed out the rich, took more and more control of our economy and enriched themselves while doing so. Our congress as well as our President and First Lady enjoy lavish benefits, perks and vacations on the tax payer dime. When Pelosi and McCain aren't flying around the world for some reason or another, the Obama's are deciding where they will take their monthly, separate vacations. When Kathleen Sibelius is cheating on here taxes she is taking more of yours and using the one-sided IRS to do so.

If you or I were to use a fake SSN we would be caught, tried and convicted. If Juan Pablo Martinez from Mexico does so we are told it's impossible to find these people and convict them yet our government consistently proposes allowing Jaun to stay in the country legally if he promises to pay his back taxes.

Our country's corporate elite have milked the tax payers for tax breaks and incentives and in return sent millions of jobs out of this country, laid off 100's of 1,000's of workers to further enrich and already rich minority and taken billions of $'s in tax payer monies.

In the name of "national security" we have to be virtually strip searched to get on an airplane, babies have had their milk thrown out, you can't bring on a bottle of shampoo over 3 oz. and you can be stuck on some list that claims you to be a terrorist threat when you are nothing of the sort.

In the name of "national security" the city of Boston was all but shut down and taken over by a para-military force that chased down 2 guys while illegally performing house-house searches.


Now in the name of "national security" we have a congress that wants to severely limit our 2nd amendment and some want to rid us of the right totally, limit our 1st amendment rights and now our 4th amendment rights.

When they get caught they tell the voters of this country they will investigate themselves and get to the bottom of it all. Holder will investigate Holder, Hillary will investigate Hillary and Obama will pretend to not know anything until he reads the newspaper.

Now it has come to light that just about every form of communication you conduct is being recorded thus making it available to be accessed at a later date should it ever be deemed necessary.

Meanwhile, almost 10 months later, we still can't get a clear answer on things like Benghazi.

Did Snowden betray his country? Perhaps. Has this country betrayed the average American? Most definitely.

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Old 06-11-2013, 08:36 PM   #31
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Wait, so you believe that the Boston bombing was carried out by the U.S. government? What in your opinion would they have to gain by doing this?
pete and several others on here believe that EVERY event like this is a govt operation. Boston, the school shootings, the movie theatre shootings, and, obviously, 9/11, were all govt operations.

I really don't know how these people can even get out of bed in the morning. You would think they would be too afraid of govt agents kidnapping them as they walk out the door to silence them for telling the truth.
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Old 06-11-2013, 08:36 PM   #32
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Dude, just go to youtube and there is video after video of people breaking down the sloppiness of this job. I mean from fake blood to fake injuries, the whole bit. Right to to Craft contractors coincidentally being at the site of the bombing.

What would they have to gain? Lots of things from distracting people from other things they are doing to a pilot run of implementing martial law.

The sad fact is that most Americans have this naive idea that our government would never, ever do things that just about every other government in history has done. Thus making it possible for our government to do shit right under our noses.
Was this faked?

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Old 06-11-2013, 08:37 PM   #33
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Except there is tons of video out there to back my claim and none to back yours. Don't you find that odd at all? There is all kinds of video showing the real deal with the Boston bombing and all you have is "well the government says..." .
No, there isn't.
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Old 06-11-2013, 08:38 PM   #34
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Was this faked?

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**** yes!!!

Dude just had both his legs blown off and he is just riding along in the wheelchair like BFD? No shock? No trauma? Just hi-ho-hum, here we go on a wheelchair ride.
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Old 06-11-2013, 08:39 PM   #35
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No, there isn't.
Stop guessing, dumbass. Yes, there is.
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Old 06-11-2013, 08:41 PM   #36
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**** yes!!!

Dude just had both his legs blown off and he is just riding along in the wheelchair like BFD? No shock? No trauma? Just hi-ho-hum, here we go on a wheelchair ride.
lol it is called shock pete
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Old 06-11-2013, 08:43 PM   #37
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Was this faked?

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The nuts absolutely believe that pic is fake.
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Stop guessing, dumbass. Yes, there is.
Ok, I just spent a few minutes looking at the YouTube videos. If you believe that the bombing was faked based on those videos, I think you are easily swayed and exactly the type of person those videos are targeting. How do you explain the people that died from the bombing if there was no bomb and it was faked?
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lol it is called shock pete
lmao...yeah, ok
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Ok, I just spent a few minutes looking at the YouTube videos. If you believe that the bombing was faked based on those videos, I think you are easily swayed and exactly the type of person those videos are targeting. How do you explain the people that died from the bombing if there was no bomb and it was faked?
I am not saying the bombing was "faked". I am saying the real deal behind it is not what we are being told. I never said it was faked. I said it was a false-flag and there is a ton of proof to back that.

The only proof that supports the governments claim is the words of the government.
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lmao...yeah, ok
Have you ever been in shock? I have.

Your body does some strange things to protect you.
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I am not saying the bombing was "faked". I am saying the real deal behind it is not what we are being told. I never said it was faked. I said it was a false-flag and there is a ton of proof to back that.

The only proof that supports the governments claim is the words of the government.
I guess we misunderstood.

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Dude, just go to youtube and there is video after video of people breaking down the sloppiness of this job. I mean from fake blood to fake injuries, the whole bit. Right to to Craft contractors coincidentally being at the site of the bombing.

What would they have to gain? Lots of things from distracting people from other things they are doing to a pilot run of implementing martial law.

The sad fact is that most Americans have this naive idea that our government would never, ever do things that just about every other government in history has done. Thus making it possible for our government to do shit right under our noses.
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Have you ever been in shock? I have.

Your body does some strange things to protect you.
Dude was acting like no big deal. Sorry, Dirk I think you know this and don't want to admit it.
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I am not saying the bombing was "faked". I am saying the real deal behind it is not what we are being told. I never said it was faked. I said it was a false-flag and there is a ton of proof to back that.
The only proof that supports the governments claim is the words of the government.
So the govt just killed those people, and blew the legs off all those folks, just to do a test run to see if they could get away with searching people's homes for a "bomber?"

Were the bombers govt agents or were they set up?
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I guess we misunderstood.
There was a lot of fake blood and fake injuries. There were also some real injuries. Just not the number we were told. Were innocent people hurt? Yes.


Lookit, it's not my fault you don't have anything to support your take other than the statement of our Fed Gov that wasted no time going on martial law on Boston.
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