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Old 06-11-2013, 06:47 PM  
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Betraying the country that has betrayed you..

Had a very interesting discussion today with a few peeps on the Snowden ordeal and some very interesting points were made. Basically it goes like this...


Snowden is being called a "Traitor" in some corners and a "Hero" in others. If you look at the majority of the people calling him the former you see the mainstream, DC ilk from both sides of the isle. You also see a lot of corporate suck-ups as well. On the other side you see people that while considered to be "whacko" a lot of times, generally care about the people even if some of their opinions are often misguided or fringe. And again, that is from both sides of the isle.

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Boehner\Feinstein: Traitor

Beck\M. Moore: Hero

My eyebrows raised several times over the course of the last few days. One time was when President Obama said there has to be some "trade off" for security. I won't repost the Ben Franklin quote that seems to come to mind when you hear that.

Then you see 2 DC careers in Boehner and DiFi saying this guy is a traitor. When I see people such as them from both sides of the isle I ask myself are they genuine in their feelings or are they pissed because someone spit in their game?

So let's look at the people pointing the Traitor finger. Our government over the last few decades have gone to war, committed fraud, embezzled, cheated on taxes, allowed millions to sneak into the country illegally, bailed out the rich, took more and more control of our economy and enriched themselves while doing so. Our congress as well as our President and First Lady enjoy lavish benefits, perks and vacations on the tax payer dime. When Pelosi and McCain aren't flying around the world for some reason or another, the Obama's are deciding where they will take their monthly, separate vacations. When Kathleen Sibelius is cheating on here taxes she is taking more of yours and using the one-sided IRS to do so.

If you or I were to use a fake SSN we would be caught, tried and convicted. If Juan Pablo Martinez from Mexico does so we are told it's impossible to find these people and convict them yet our government consistently proposes allowing Jaun to stay in the country legally if he promises to pay his back taxes.

Our country's corporate elite have milked the tax payers for tax breaks and incentives and in return sent millions of jobs out of this country, laid off 100's of 1,000's of workers to further enrich and already rich minority and taken billions of $'s in tax payer monies.

In the name of "national security" we have to be virtually strip searched to get on an airplane, babies have had their milk thrown out, you can't bring on a bottle of shampoo over 3 oz. and you can be stuck on some list that claims you to be a terrorist threat when you are nothing of the sort.

In the name of "national security" the city of Boston was all but shut down and taken over by a para-military force that chased down 2 guys while illegally performing house-house searches.


Now in the name of "national security" we have a congress that wants to severely limit our 2nd amendment and some want to rid us of the right totally, limit our 1st amendment rights and now our 4th amendment rights.

When they get caught they tell the voters of this country they will investigate themselves and get to the bottom of it all. Holder will investigate Holder, Hillary will investigate Hillary and Obama will pretend to not know anything until he reads the newspaper.

Now it has come to light that just about every form of communication you conduct is being recorded thus making it available to be accessed at a later date should it ever be deemed necessary.

Meanwhile, almost 10 months later, we still can't get a clear answer on things like Benghazi.

Did Snowden betray his country? Perhaps. Has this country betrayed the average American? Most definitely.

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Old 06-12-2013, 08:32 AM   #76
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this reminds me of Star Wars when Palpatine calls the Jedi traitors
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Old 06-12-2013, 08:36 AM   #77
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Great original post Pete.

As far as all the false flag stuff, I think if you aren't at least questioning the official story, then you are naive. I also think you have to approach youtube videos with a healthy skepticism, and some of the theories have gotten pretty wild. But there is also some pretty compelling evidence that the official story isn't the whole truth.
One can nitpick the the details, but there's a line where one crosses over from healthy skepicism to unstable nutjob. Here, that line is where one believes the govt planted the bombs, or they were fake bombs and blood, etc. Anything other than that the two identified bombers were not the real bombers, you're a nutjob.
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Old 06-12-2013, 08:38 AM   #78
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One can nitpick the the details, but there's a line where one crosses over from healthy skepicism to unstable nutjob. Here, that line is where one believes the govt planted the bombs, or they were fake bombs and blood, etc. Anything other than that the two identified bombers were not the real bombers, you're a nutjob.
I would expect nothing different from a totalitarian state lover, so status quo.
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Old 06-12-2013, 08:49 AM   #79
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One can nitpick the the details, but there's a line where one crosses over from healthy skepicism to unstable nutjob. Here, that line is where one believes the govt planted the bombs, or they were fake bombs and blood, etc. Anything other than that the two identified bombers were not the real bombers, you're a nutjob.
And everyone in Germany thought that they invaded Poland because the Pols were attacking their border cities.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Himmler
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Old 06-12-2013, 08:55 AM   #80
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I would expect nothing different from a totalitarian state lover, so status quo.
So, only a "totalitarian state lover" would believe the bombing was not a govt operation?
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Old 06-12-2013, 09:00 AM   #81
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And everyone in Germany thought that they invaded Poland because the Pols were attacking their border cities.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Himmler
Good choice. There's also the sinking of the Maine, the Gulf of Tonkin, Iraq pulling babies out of incubators allegations, the Soviets invading Afghanistan will-nilly as an act of aggression when we engaged in operations to lure them in there and more.
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Wow, some people are simply going over the edge.
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Old 06-12-2013, 09:07 AM   #83
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Wow, some people are simply going over the edge.
I'm not saying I believe for certain that the government did some of these things. I do have reason to approach it with an open mind, however.
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I'm not saying I believe for certain that the government did some of these things. I do have reason to approach it with an open mind, however.
Because a fascist, totalitarian, dictatorship did so in 1939?
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Donger couldn't recognize fascism or dictatorship even if it jailed him.
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Because a fascist, totalitarian, dictatorship did so in 1939?
Because governments inherently abuse power.
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Wow. I never thought Pete was a conspiracy nutjob.
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Because governments inherently abuse power.
Exactly or someone in a govt will abuse it. Like we see with the IRS.
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Because governments inherently abuse power.
And do you agree that there are multiple levels to that potential abuse?
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And do you agree that there are multiple levels to that potential abuse?
Of course. What a stupid question.
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