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Old 06-11-2013, 06:47 PM  
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Betraying the country that has betrayed you..

Had a very interesting discussion today with a few peeps on the Snowden ordeal and some very interesting points were made. Basically it goes like this...


Snowden is being called a "Traitor" in some corners and a "Hero" in others. If you look at the majority of the people calling him the former you see the mainstream, DC ilk from both sides of the isle. You also see a lot of corporate suck-ups as well. On the other side you see people that while considered to be "whacko" a lot of times, generally care about the people even if some of their opinions are often misguided or fringe. And again, that is from both sides of the isle.

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Boehner\Feinstein: Traitor

Beck\M. Moore: Hero

My eyebrows raised several times over the course of the last few days. One time was when President Obama said there has to be some "trade off" for security. I won't repost the Ben Franklin quote that seems to come to mind when you hear that.

Then you see 2 DC careers in Boehner and DiFi saying this guy is a traitor. When I see people such as them from both sides of the isle I ask myself are they genuine in their feelings or are they pissed because someone spit in their game?

So let's look at the people pointing the Traitor finger. Our government over the last few decades have gone to war, committed fraud, embezzled, cheated on taxes, allowed millions to sneak into the country illegally, bailed out the rich, took more and more control of our economy and enriched themselves while doing so. Our congress as well as our President and First Lady enjoy lavish benefits, perks and vacations on the tax payer dime. When Pelosi and McCain aren't flying around the world for some reason or another, the Obama's are deciding where they will take their monthly, separate vacations. When Kathleen Sibelius is cheating on here taxes she is taking more of yours and using the one-sided IRS to do so.

If you or I were to use a fake SSN we would be caught, tried and convicted. If Juan Pablo Martinez from Mexico does so we are told it's impossible to find these people and convict them yet our government consistently proposes allowing Jaun to stay in the country legally if he promises to pay his back taxes.

Our country's corporate elite have milked the tax payers for tax breaks and incentives and in return sent millions of jobs out of this country, laid off 100's of 1,000's of workers to further enrich and already rich minority and taken billions of $'s in tax payer monies.

In the name of "national security" we have to be virtually strip searched to get on an airplane, babies have had their milk thrown out, you can't bring on a bottle of shampoo over 3 oz. and you can be stuck on some list that claims you to be a terrorist threat when you are nothing of the sort.

In the name of "national security" the city of Boston was all but shut down and taken over by a para-military force that chased down 2 guys while illegally performing house-house searches.


Now in the name of "national security" we have a congress that wants to severely limit our 2nd amendment and some want to rid us of the right totally, limit our 1st amendment rights and now our 4th amendment rights.

When they get caught they tell the voters of this country they will investigate themselves and get to the bottom of it all. Holder will investigate Holder, Hillary will investigate Hillary and Obama will pretend to not know anything until he reads the newspaper.

Now it has come to light that just about every form of communication you conduct is being recorded thus making it available to be accessed at a later date should it ever be deemed necessary.

Meanwhile, almost 10 months later, we still can't get a clear answer on things like Benghazi.

Did Snowden betray his country? Perhaps. Has this country betrayed the average American? Most definitely.

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Old 06-12-2013, 09:17 AM   #91
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One can nitpick the the details, but there's a line where one crosses over from healthy skepicism to unstable nutjob. Here, that line is where one believes the govt planted the bombs, or they were fake bombs and blood, etc. Anything other than that the two identified bombers were not the real bombers, you're a nutjob.
Yeah, I mean you have no actual proof of that but okay, if you want to believe the Fed Gov, it's your right to do so.
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Old 06-12-2013, 09:17 AM   #92
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Of course. What a stupid question.
Great, thanks. So, do you see a rather large chasm in importance between (just for example) the government abusing its power by denying tax-exempt status for political reasons and murder?
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Old 06-12-2013, 09:18 AM   #93
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**** yes!!!

Dude just had both his legs blown off and he is just riding along in the wheelchair like BFD? No shock? No trauma? Just hi-ho-hum, here we go on a wheelchair ride.
So is this fake also? http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=13a_1328525428 Dude lost literally half his body and is just lying there ho-hum.


Warning: Video is EXTREMELY graphic.


I really don't think you understand the human body. Why do you think some people say they didn't feel pain from shark attacks.
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Old 06-12-2013, 09:19 AM   #94
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Yeah, I mean you have no actual proof of that but okay, if you want to believe the Fed Gov, it's your right to do so.
Do you have any actual proof? The burden of proof is on you.

Where are all the actors that the government used? Were the doctors that treated them fake also? Who brought the fake blood? How did they pour it all over the ground so fast and without being seen?
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Old 06-12-2013, 09:19 AM   #95
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Yeah, I mean you have no actual proof of that but okay, if you want to believe the Fed Gov, it's your right to do so.
What would have been the government's goal in using the Boston attack as a false flag? You know, motive.
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What would have been the government's goal in using the Boston attack as a false flag? You know, motive.
I have already answered this, sorry if you have to go back and read.
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Do you have any actual proof? The burden of proof is on you.

Where are all the actors that the government used? Were the doctors that treated them fake also? Who brought the fake blood? How did they pour it all over the ground so fast and without being seen?
I have more "evidence" to say I am correct than the Fed Gov does to support their story.
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Old 06-12-2013, 09:21 AM   #98
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Because governments inherently abuse power.
There's absuing power, and then there is killing and maiming people in order to run a test to see if people will let you search their homes looking for the bad guys.
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I have already answered this, sorry if you have to go back and read.
He does that sort of thing. Between that and his endless question game, while rarely posting his own positions, he's a waste of time.
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There's absuing power, and then there is killing and maiming people in order to run a test to see if people will let you search their homes looking for the bad guys.
Yes, because governments have never done such things in history.
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Were the two brothers in on this too? Did they volunteer to be the scapegoats? Did they draw straws to see which one would be killed and which one would be critically injured?
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I have more "evidence" to say I am correct than the Fed Gov does to support their story.
Post it then.

And I notice you didn't answer those questions.
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Great, thanks. So, do you see a rather large chasm in importance between (just for example) the government abusing its power by denying tax-exempt status for political reasons and murder?
Look asshole. I am an intelligent middle-aged adult. You want to keep trying to talk down to me like I am a child, you can go **** yourself.

I haven't said that the government has killed anyone. But I wouldn't put it past them. And EVERYONE should question the official story. And if you don't you deserve what you get.
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I have already answered this, sorry if you have to go back and read.
You mean this?

What would they have to gain? Lots of things from distracting people from other things they are doing to a pilot run of implementing martial law.
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Look asshole. I am an intelligent middle-aged adult. You want to keep trying to talk down to me like I am a child, you can go **** yourself.

I haven't said that the government has killed anyone. But I wouldn't put it past them. And EVERYONE should question the official story. And if you don't you deserve what you get.
He's a passive aggressive type.
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