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Old 06-11-2013, 06:47 PM  
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Betraying the country that has betrayed you..

Had a very interesting discussion today with a few peeps on the Snowden ordeal and some very interesting points were made. Basically it goes like this...


Snowden is being called a "Traitor" in some corners and a "Hero" in others. If you look at the majority of the people calling him the former you see the mainstream, DC ilk from both sides of the isle. You also see a lot of corporate suck-ups as well. On the other side you see people that while considered to be "whacko" a lot of times, generally care about the people even if some of their opinions are often misguided or fringe. And again, that is from both sides of the isle.

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Boehner\Feinstein: Traitor

Beck\M. Moore: Hero

My eyebrows raised several times over the course of the last few days. One time was when President Obama said there has to be some "trade off" for security. I won't repost the Ben Franklin quote that seems to come to mind when you hear that.

Then you see 2 DC careers in Boehner and DiFi saying this guy is a traitor. When I see people such as them from both sides of the isle I ask myself are they genuine in their feelings or are they pissed because someone spit in their game?

So let's look at the people pointing the Traitor finger. Our government over the last few decades have gone to war, committed fraud, embezzled, cheated on taxes, allowed millions to sneak into the country illegally, bailed out the rich, took more and more control of our economy and enriched themselves while doing so. Our congress as well as our President and First Lady enjoy lavish benefits, perks and vacations on the tax payer dime. When Pelosi and McCain aren't flying around the world for some reason or another, the Obama's are deciding where they will take their monthly, separate vacations. When Kathleen Sibelius is cheating on here taxes she is taking more of yours and using the one-sided IRS to do so.

If you or I were to use a fake SSN we would be caught, tried and convicted. If Juan Pablo Martinez from Mexico does so we are told it's impossible to find these people and convict them yet our government consistently proposes allowing Jaun to stay in the country legally if he promises to pay his back taxes.

Our country's corporate elite have milked the tax payers for tax breaks and incentives and in return sent millions of jobs out of this country, laid off 100's of 1,000's of workers to further enrich and already rich minority and taken billions of $'s in tax payer monies.

In the name of "national security" we have to be virtually strip searched to get on an airplane, babies have had their milk thrown out, you can't bring on a bottle of shampoo over 3 oz. and you can be stuck on some list that claims you to be a terrorist threat when you are nothing of the sort.

In the name of "national security" the city of Boston was all but shut down and taken over by a para-military force that chased down 2 guys while illegally performing house-house searches.


Now in the name of "national security" we have a congress that wants to severely limit our 2nd amendment and some want to rid us of the right totally, limit our 1st amendment rights and now our 4th amendment rights.

When they get caught they tell the voters of this country they will investigate themselves and get to the bottom of it all. Holder will investigate Holder, Hillary will investigate Hillary and Obama will pretend to not know anything until he reads the newspaper.

Now it has come to light that just about every form of communication you conduct is being recorded thus making it available to be accessed at a later date should it ever be deemed necessary.

Meanwhile, almost 10 months later, we still can't get a clear answer on things like Benghazi.

Did Snowden betray his country? Perhaps. Has this country betrayed the average American? Most definitely.

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Old 06-12-2013, 09:25 AM   #106
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Were all the doctors and nurses in Boston in on it too? I mean, they had to have noticed that the people coming in were faking their injuries.


Man, how many people were paid off for this?
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Old 06-12-2013, 09:26 AM   #107
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I haven't said that the government has killed anyone. But I wouldn't put it past them.
Alrighty then.
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Old 06-12-2013, 09:30 AM   #108
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Were all the doctors and nurses in Boston in on it too? I mean, they had to have noticed that the people coming in were faking their injuries.


Man, how many people were paid off for this?
No but the DHS has now admitted to an exercise was planned months before the Boston Marathon bombings that involved backpacks being used to detonate explosives by rogue terrorists.

“The real thing happened before we were able to execute,” a Boston police official told the Boston Globe in the report.

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http://www.storyleak.com/dhs-boston-...ck-explosives/

I find that disturbing as well as the photo of the young man in a wheel chair who lost his legs when there's a picture of the same guy in camo in a wheelchair without those legs earlier in time. LiveSteam posted it. That photo looked like it was out of Project Mockingbird.

Some things don't add up on Boston.
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Old 06-12-2013, 09:30 AM   #109
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Look asshole. I am an intelligent middle-aged adult. You want to keep trying to talk down to me like I am a child, you can go **** yourself.
Sorry if you got that impression. I wasn't attempting to speak down to you. I was merely trying to ascertain whether or not you acknowledge the massive differences between potential abuses.

It seems you do, but somehow are capable of making the leap from one to another.
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Old 06-12-2013, 09:31 AM   #110
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Were all the doctors and nurses in Boston in on it too? I mean, they had to have noticed that the people coming in were faking their injuries.


Man, how many people were paid off for this?
Earlier in the thread pete made the claim that the bombing was real (and I would have to assume many of the injuries were therefore real) but that also, many of the injuries, including missing legs, were fake.
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No but the DHS has now admitted to an exercise was planned months before the Boston Marathon bombings that involved backpacks being used to detonate explosives by rogue terrorists.

The real thing happened before we were able to execute, a Boston police official told the Boston Globe in the report.

Video here
http://www.storyleak.com/dhs-boston-...ck-explosives/

I find that disturbing as well as the photo of the young man in a wheel chair who lost his legs when there's a picture of the same guy in camo in a wheelchair without those legs earlier in time. LiveSteam posted it. That photo looked like it was out of Project Mockingbird.

Some things don't add up on Boston.
That didn't answer any of my questions.

And is using backpacks for explosives some brand new revelations they just came up with?
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Old 06-12-2013, 09:35 AM   #112
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That didn't answer any of my questions.
Tough. I wasn't trying to answer them, don't even know if I saw them even, but to add my own 2 that there were some things to question.

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And is using backpacks for explosives some brand new revelations they just came up with?
That's not an argument either tough guy.
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Old 06-12-2013, 09:40 AM   #113
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Do you have any actual proof? The burden of proof is on you.

Where are all the actors that the government used? Were the doctors that treated them fake also? Who brought the fake blood? How did they pour it all over the ground so fast and without being seen?
Dude just go watch some of the videos and then a lot of your questions will be answered.
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Old 06-12-2013, 09:41 AM   #114
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You mean this?

What would they have to gain? Lots of things from distracting people from other things they are doing to a pilot run of implementing martial law.
Why have governments since the beginning of all governments conducted false-flag operations?

Are you really nave enough to think our government is any different simply because they say they are?
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Dude just go watch some of the videos and then a lot of your questions will be answered.
Post them then.

And its telling that you cant answer the questions yourself.

And YouTube videos are not exactly the best source of information.
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Why have governments since the beginning of all governments conducted false-flag operations?

Are you really nave enough to think our government is any different simply because they say they are?
In order to pursue goals which likely wouldn't be achieved without it.
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Post them then.

And its telling that you cant answer the questions yourself.

And YouTube videos are not exactly the best source of information.
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No I just want you guys to ask very simple questions.
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Post them then.

And its telling that you cant answer the questions yourself.

And YouTube videos are not exactly the best source of information.
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Like the MSM is?
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