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Old 06-11-2013, 06:47 PM  
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Betraying the country that has betrayed you..

Had a very interesting discussion today with a few peeps on the Snowden ordeal and some very interesting points were made. Basically it goes like this...


Snowden is being called a "Traitor" in some corners and a "Hero" in others. If you look at the majority of the people calling him the former you see the mainstream, DC ilk from both sides of the isle. You also see a lot of corporate suck-ups as well. On the other side you see people that while considered to be "whacko" a lot of times, generally care about the people even if some of their opinions are often misguided or fringe. And again, that is from both sides of the isle.

Example:

Boehner\Feinstein: Traitor

Beck\M. Moore: Hero

My eyebrows raised several times over the course of the last few days. One time was when President Obama said there has to be some "trade off" for security. I won't repost the Ben Franklin quote that seems to come to mind when you hear that.

Then you see 2 DC careers in Boehner and DiFi saying this guy is a traitor. When I see people such as them from both sides of the isle I ask myself are they genuine in their feelings or are they pissed because someone spit in their game?

So let's look at the people pointing the Traitor finger. Our government over the last few decades have gone to war, committed fraud, embezzled, cheated on taxes, allowed millions to sneak into the country illegally, bailed out the rich, took more and more control of our economy and enriched themselves while doing so. Our congress as well as our President and First Lady enjoy lavish benefits, perks and vacations on the tax payer dime. When Pelosi and McCain aren't flying around the world for some reason or another, the Obama's are deciding where they will take their monthly, separate vacations. When Kathleen Sibelius is cheating on here taxes she is taking more of yours and using the one-sided IRS to do so.

If you or I were to use a fake SSN we would be caught, tried and convicted. If Juan Pablo Martinez from Mexico does so we are told it's impossible to find these people and convict them yet our government consistently proposes allowing Jaun to stay in the country legally if he promises to pay his back taxes.

Our country's corporate elite have milked the tax payers for tax breaks and incentives and in return sent millions of jobs out of this country, laid off 100's of 1,000's of workers to further enrich and already rich minority and taken billions of $'s in tax payer monies.

In the name of "national security" we have to be virtually strip searched to get on an airplane, babies have had their milk thrown out, you can't bring on a bottle of shampoo over 3 oz. and you can be stuck on some list that claims you to be a terrorist threat when you are nothing of the sort.

In the name of "national security" the city of Boston was all but shut down and taken over by a para-military force that chased down 2 guys while illegally performing house-house searches.


Now in the name of "national security" we have a congress that wants to severely limit our 2nd amendment and some want to rid us of the right totally, limit our 1st amendment rights and now our 4th amendment rights.

When they get caught they tell the voters of this country they will investigate themselves and get to the bottom of it all. Holder will investigate Holder, Hillary will investigate Hillary and Obama will pretend to not know anything until he reads the newspaper.

Now it has come to light that just about every form of communication you conduct is being recorded thus making it available to be accessed at a later date should it ever be deemed necessary.

Meanwhile, almost 10 months later, we still can't get a clear answer on things like Benghazi.

Did Snowden betray his country? Perhaps. Has this country betrayed the average American? Most definitely.

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Old 06-12-2013, 10:14 AM   #121
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Post them then.

And its telling that you cant answer the questions yourself.

And YouTube videos are not exactly the best source of information.
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It's almost reassuring that petegz28 is so reluctant to answer reasonable questions. It gives me the sense that maybe there's at least a small part of him that knows that the things he's saying are nutty.
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Old 06-12-2013, 10:15 AM   #122
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I wasn't attempting to answer your question. I don't plan to since I haven't seen them either.
I was adding my own commentary TYVM.

You certainly do act like a King.
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Old 06-12-2013, 10:17 AM   #123
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Post them then.

And its telling that you cant answer the questions yourself.

And YouTube videos are not exactly the best source of information.
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Old 06-12-2013, 10:19 AM   #124
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You really think something like this proves a government conspiracy to kill its own citizens?
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Old 06-12-2013, 10:21 AM   #125
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It's almost reassuring that petegz28 is so reluctant to answer reasonable questions. It gives me the sense that maybe there's at least a small part of him that knows that the things he's saying are nutty.
Reasonable questions? You who takes everything the Fed Gov has said at face value without any analysis of your own outside of what Fox News says?

The videos are all over Youtube and you refuse to watch them yet state as fact that things happened the way we are told they did.
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Old 06-12-2013, 10:22 AM   #126
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You really think something like this proves a government conspiracy to kill its own citizens?
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You really think something like this proves a government conspiracy to kill its own citizens?
It's but one small piece in the bigger puzzle.

Now let me ask you justify why Navy Seal guy suddenly is minus his backpack and one that happens to be an exact match has been exploded?
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Old 06-12-2013, 10:23 AM   #128
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It's but one small piece in the bigger puzzle.

Now let me ask you justify why Navy Seal guy suddenly is minus his backpack and one that happens to be an exact match has been exploded?
Navy SEAL guy?
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It's but one small piece in the bigger puzzle.

Now let me ask you justify why Navy Seal guy suddenly is minus his backpack and one that happens to be an exact match has been exploded?
Its an exact match because there's a whitish square on it?
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Navy SEAL guy?
Craft International if you like. A few of the Craft guys had SEAL ballcaps on.
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Where did his backpack go?
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Like the MSM is?
So what exactly don't you believe? There's videos on Sandy Hook, Aurora, 9/11, etc on YouTube. You believe them too?
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Geeeez, that's what you're basing your argument on? The backpacks look different to me.

I asked you before and you didn't answer--For someone so skeptical of any and all mainstream media reports, why are you so willing to rely on photos and such of unknown origin from unknown folks on the internet? What makes them so trustworthy? Why are you so sure their pics aren't altered?
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