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Old 06-11-2013, 10:59 PM  
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Animal Cruelty

What's DC's general take on the issue of animal cruelty?

Do you think it's an issue worth spending governmental resources over to combat?

Do you think there should be harsh punishments for egregious violations of animal cruelty?

Do you think regular offenders of animal cruelty should face prison time or property seizure?

Do you think that undercover investigators of animal cruelty should be punished by law for revealing their findings?
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Old 06-11-2013, 11:00 PM   #2
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Isn't this something states can and do handle?
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Old 06-11-2013, 11:00 PM   #3
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There's no authority in the Federal Constitution for our central govt to deal with animal cruelty. Animals don't have any rights there.

It's local and state matter. See Federalist #45.

But nice trying to deflect from main current events in order to take the heat of your guy.
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Old 06-11-2013, 11:01 PM   #4
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Here you go, thread over - animal cruelty laws in all 50 states:

http://www.aspca.org/Fight-Animal-Cr...elty-laws.aspx
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Old 06-11-2013, 11:02 PM   #5
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Isn't this something states can and do handle?
Well, answer for the state that you live in, then.

Do you think it's an issue worth spending governmental resources over to combat?

Do you think there should be harsh punishments for egregious violations of animal cruelty?

Do you think regular offenders of animal cruelty should face prison time or property seizure?

Do you think that undercover investigators of animal cruelty should be punished by law for revealing their findings?
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Old 06-11-2013, 11:03 PM   #6
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No way should Washington get involved. I think an issue such as this should be handled on the local level, not even the state level. That being said I think people who commit animal cruelty are scumbags and should be fined/punished for their abuse.
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Old 06-11-2013, 11:05 PM   #7
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That being said I think people who commit animal cruelty are scumbags and should be fined/punished for their abuse.
That's basically factory farms, it seems.

Clearly, the fines should be greater than their profits, right? To deter from factory farms just writing it off as the cost of doing business.

Shouldn't extreme repeat offenders face potential jailtime and/or property seizure? I'm just thinking of deterrent ideas.

And clearly, at least to me, undercover reporters on animal abuse on factory farms should not face prosecution, should they not?
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Old 06-11-2013, 11:05 PM   #8
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What's DC's general take on the issue of animal cruelty?

Do you think it's an issue worth spending governmental resources over to combat?

Do you think there should be harsh punishments for egregious violations of animal cruelty?

Do you think regular offenders of animal cruelty should face prison time or property seizure?

Do you think that undercover investigators of animal cruelty should be punished by law for revealing their findings?
You hurt a doggie, you should be killed. Cats? Well, I guess they should be protected too. I guess.
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Old 06-11-2013, 11:07 PM   #9
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You hurt a doggie, you should be killed. Cats? Well, I guess they should be protected too. I guess.
I guess I'm targeting livestock cruelty, primarily. At least with this thread.
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Old 06-11-2013, 11:09 PM   #10
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Well, answer for the state that you live in, then.

Do you think it's an issue worth spending governmental resources over to combat?

Do you think there should be harsh punishments for egregious violations of animal cruelty?

Do you think regular offenders of animal cruelty should face prison time or property seizure?

Do you think that undercover investigators of animal cruelty should be punished by law for revealing their findings?
Genuinely interested in TJ's answer.
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Old 06-11-2013, 11:18 PM   #11
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I guess I'm targeting livestock cruelty, primarily. At least with this thread.
Cruelty is cruelty and should not be tolerated. And yes to harsh punishments for egregious and repeat offenders. Some of what these assholes do show that they are a threat to society in general and not just animals.
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Old 06-11-2013, 11:18 PM   #12
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That's basically factory farms, it seems.

Clearly, the fines should be greater than their profits, right? To deter from factory farms just writing it off as the cost of doing business.

Shouldn't extreme repeat offenders face potential jailtime and/or property seizure? I'm just thinking of deterrent ideas.

And clearly, at least to me, undercover reporters on animal abuse on factory farms should not face prosecution, should they not?
Serious repeat offenders would face property seizure, if I were the one making the rules. And I would not prosecute undercover reporters.
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Old 06-11-2013, 11:19 PM   #13
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What are you meaning by livestock animal cruelty? PETA would say eating a hamburger or racing a horse is animal cruelty. Or that getting milk from a cow is animal cruelty.
Direckshun obviously has some specific topic he wants to talk about, but for some reason he wants to speak in generalities first in order for people to say they oppose animal cruelty; then he can say, "Well, if you oppose animal cruelty, then shouldn't we punish people in cases like ___ ?"
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Old 06-11-2013, 11:19 PM   #14
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No way should Washington get involved. I think an issue such as this should be handled on the local level, not even the state level. That being said I think people who commit animal cruelty are scumbags and should be fined/punished for their abuse.
Well that means a lot of farmers....especially chicken farmers.
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Old 06-11-2013, 11:20 PM   #15
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Serious repeat offenders would face property seizure, if I were the one making the rules. And I would not prosecute undercover reporters.
There goes Frank Perdue's business.
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