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Old 06-11-2013, 09:59 PM  
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Animal Cruelty

What's DC's general take on the issue of animal cruelty?

Do you think it's an issue worth spending governmental resources over to combat?

Do you think there should be harsh punishments for egregious violations of animal cruelty?

Do you think regular offenders of animal cruelty should face prison time or property seizure?

Do you think that undercover investigators of animal cruelty should be punished by law for revealing their findings?
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Old 06-11-2013, 10:20 PM   #16
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Cruelty is cruelty and should not be tolerated. And yes to harsh punishments for egregious and repeat offenders. Some of what these assholes do show that they are a threat to society in general and not just animals.
Do you drink milk and eat meat?
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Old 06-11-2013, 10:21 PM   #17
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A threat to society?!! O.M.G. that's hilarious!
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Old 06-11-2013, 10:21 PM   #18
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Well that means a lot of farmers....especially chicken farmers.
I'll admit I didn't have teh chickens in mind when I was thinking of this issue. Funny since chickens are usually the ones treated worst.
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Old 06-11-2013, 10:23 PM   #19
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I'll admit I didn't have teh chickens in mind when I was thinking of this issue. Funny since chickens are usually the ones treated worst.
The footage on chicken farms is ****ing horrifying, occasionally. Yeah.

Sensible responses so far in the thread (at least among the posts I care to read -- I assume BEP is going deep-end on the issue). Still interested to see how the libertarians among us, primarily TJ, come down on the issue.
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Old 06-11-2013, 10:23 PM   #20
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I'll admit I didn't have teh chickens in mind when I was thinking of this issue. Funny since chickens are usually the ones treated worst.
That's right! Look at those po' critters!

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Old 06-11-2013, 10:29 PM   #21
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There is a chicken farm right off of I-70, just east of the US-65 get off. Holy mother of hell does it stink when you drive past that place, and that smell lingers a good mile or so both ways. Smells like dirty socks and ass. Disgusting.
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Old 06-11-2013, 10:31 PM   #22
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Do you drink milk and eat meat?
Oh yes. I realize that there is a wide variety of definitions of cruelty, and that some would consider milking a cow to meet it. Certainly killing an animal could be considered "cruel".

I'm not ready to sit down and write out a formal definition, but I'm assuming a baseline where we can still eat livestock, chicken, fish and so forth. Generally speaking--and not an attempt at a formal definition--I'm talking about inflicting unnecessary and unreasonable pain, torture, neglect/not treating painful medical conditions, etc.
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Old 06-11-2013, 10:35 PM   #23
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Animal Cruelty?
You must be talking about how Obama treats his sheep
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Old 06-11-2013, 10:36 PM   #24
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A threat to society?!! O.M.G. that's hilarious!
A person who would torture an animal just for kicks is a threat to people as well.
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A person who would torture an animal just for kicks is a threat to people as well.
I shoot squirrels just to watch them bleed.
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Oh yes. I realize that there is a wide variety of definitions of cruelty, and that some would consider milking a cow to meet it. Certainly killing an animal could be considered "cruel".

I'm not ready to sit down and write out a formal definition, but I'm assuming a baseline where we can still eat livestock, chicken, fish and so forth. Generally speaking--and not an attempt at a formal definition--I'm talking about inflicting unnecessary and unreasonable pain, torture, neglect/not treating painful medical conditions, etc.
I think most animal rights activists would tell you that the nature of most meat and dairy producers setup is inherently cruel, and inflicts unreasonable pain and torture.
And I don't mean just the act of milking or slaughter. I mean the day-to-day conditions of the animals.

And I'm guessing this is the conversation Direckshun is trying to have.
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Old 06-11-2013, 10:39 PM   #27
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I shoot squirrels just to watch them bleed.
You're exactly who I had in mind.
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I think most animal rights activists would tell you that the nature of most meat and dairy producers setup is inherently cruel, and inflicts unreasonable pain and torture.
And I don't mean just the act of milking or slaughter. I mean the day-to-day conditions of the animals.

And I'm guessing this is the conversation Direckshun is trying to have.
Like I said, I don't have a formal definition ready. But I probably wouldn't use PETA's definition as a guideline.
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Old 06-11-2013, 10:46 PM   #29
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Oh yes. I realize that there is a wide variety of definitions of cruelty, and that some would consider milking a cow to meet it. Certainly killing an animal could be considered "cruel".

I'm not ready to sit down and write out a formal definition, but I'm assuming a baseline where we can still eat livestock, chicken, fish and so forth. Generally speaking--and not an attempt at a formal definition--I'm talking about inflicting unnecessary and unreasonable pain, torture, neglect/not treating painful medical conditions, etc.
Not necessarily. We're omnivores, it's perfectly moral to kill and eat animals.

Humanely, anyway. When we're subjecting animals to needless cruelty and mistreatment, I'd say that warrants legal recourse.
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You know what I'm also not thrilled about? The circus. Carting elephants and tigers and such around the country in small cages. Likely training them largely through beatings. If it isn't cruel, it just seems ****ed up and wrong.
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