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Old 06-11-2013, 09:59 PM  
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Animal Cruelty

What's DC's general take on the issue of animal cruelty?

Do you think it's an issue worth spending governmental resources over to combat?

Do you think there should be harsh punishments for egregious violations of animal cruelty?

Do you think regular offenders of animal cruelty should face prison time or property seizure?

Do you think that undercover investigators of animal cruelty should be punished by law for revealing their findings?
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Old 06-12-2013, 09:08 AM   #61
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I'd quibble a bit with this, but I think this is reasonable, on the whole.

What do you think of the radical overpacking of chickens, however?

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This is not for twisted pleasure, it's done exclusively for maximizing space and profit. Thoughts?
I think people who object to tight packing chickens should protest by refusing to eat chicken. I don't think government regulations on how many square feet/inches a chicken rancher needs to provide for each chicken is the way to go.
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Old 06-12-2013, 09:13 AM   #62
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You are correct that the motivations play a much bigger role in how I feel on the issue but I don't discount the other issues entirely. I'm not sure I would go so far as to set government mandated limits though. In a perfect world, I would prefer a semi-governmental/industry agency to set "cruelty" guidelines or "grades" so the consumer can make the ultimate decision. That's one area I have no problem spending government resources on.... getting accurate information out to the public.
That sounds like a pretty decent approach, depending on the cost. I'd rather see some private entity establish a seal of approval type system, like the Good Housekeeping seal of approval.
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Old 06-12-2013, 09:16 AM   #63
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Probably would also be worth reviewing if taxpayer subsidies are going to the worst offenders.
No. Getting rid of the subsidies is a good idea, but using the tax code as backdoor regulation is not.
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Old 06-12-2013, 09:19 AM   #64
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There are plenty of free range and more humane options out there. You are welcome to not buy the sardine flavored chickens.
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Old 06-12-2013, 11:24 AM   #65
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Just to reiterate, I think states are well equipped to handle this, and to that end, people who care about this issue should welcome this because it's much easier to petition your state government to accomplish changes in your state than it is to petition the federal government to do the same.

For my part, I interact with this issue by primarily buying my meat from Costco, who from the research I've done, only does business with reputable farmers, such as Sommers Organic, and Organic Prairie farms. As a consumer, I have found that Costco is very trustworthy where their product is concerned, and largely consider them the pinnacle of capitalism.
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Old 06-12-2013, 11:26 AM   #66
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Just to reiterate, I think states are well equipped to handle this, and to that end, people who care about this issue should welcome this because it's much easier to petition your state government to accomplish changes in your state than it is to petition the federal government to do the same.

For my part, I interact with this issue by primarily buying my meat from Costco, who from the research I've done, only does business with reputable farmers, such as Sommers Organic, and Organic Prairie farms. As a consumer, I have found that Costco is very trustworthy where their product is concerned, and largely consider them the pinnacle of capitalism.
I wish I had a Costco closer to my house. The closest one is a 40 minute drive away. We get all of our pet food there so we go once every 4-6 weeks.
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Old 06-12-2013, 11:30 AM   #67
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Bare Chicken has a code on the packaging where you can actually go online and see the exact place that the chickens you are about to eat were raised at.
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Old 06-12-2013, 11:37 AM   #68
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Just to reiterate, I think states are well equipped to handle this, and to that end, people who care about this issue should welcome this because it's much easier to petition your state government to accomplish changes in your state than it is to petition the federal government to do the same.

For my part, I interact with this issue by primarily buying my meat from Costco, who from the research I've done, only does business with reputable farmers, such as Sommers Organic, and Organic Prairie farms. As a consumer, I have found that Costco is very trustworthy where their product is concerned, and largely consider them the pinnacle of capitalism.
I love Costco. I go about once a week but often longer. I can get organic hamburger and natural chicken. They used to have organic peanut butter but discontinued it. I get organic free range eggs.
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Old 06-12-2013, 11:37 AM   #69
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I wish I had a Costco closer to my house. The closest one is a 40 minute drive away. We get all of our pet food there so we go once every 4-6 weeks.
I have to drive 20 to 25 minutes when there's no traffic.
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Old 06-12-2013, 12:28 PM   #70
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Are caged chickens not layers? Broilers are not raised in cages as I recall. Layers make eggs. Broilers make meat...
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Old 06-12-2013, 01:40 PM   #71
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For my part, I interact with this issue by primarily buying my meat from Costco, who from the research I've done, only does business with reputable farmers, such as Sommers Organic, and Organic Prairie farms. As a consumer, I have found that Costco is very trustworthy where their product is concerned, and largely consider them the pinnacle of capitalism.
$1.50 for a big hot dog and a drink.

I know I'm setting myself up here, but what are the pig rectum levels in their hot dogs? I've eaten a lot of them.
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$1.50 for a big hot dog and a drink.

I know I'm setting myself up here, but what are the pig rectum levels in their hot dogs? I've eaten a lot of them.
It looks like a lot from what I can see. When I get about halfway done with those I start to feel a lot of regret.
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Just to reiterate, I think states are well equipped to handle this, and to that end, people who care about this issue should welcome this because it's much easier to petition your state government to accomplish changes in your state than it is to petition the federal government to do the same.

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Costco represents a very large beef merchandiser. They basically have some standards on the USDA grade they sell and offer selections that include some Organic. But far and away, most of the beef they sell in not Organic.

Beef magazine had an interview with the guy in charge of beef merchandising...http://beefmagazine.com/mag/beef_beef_chat_inside

Costco has been very cooperative with the beef industry and shares a lot of consumer information and feedback that is instrumental in producing the sort of end product consumers want.

They sell pretty good meat for the BBQ competitors more pork than beef. They dont usually sell whole briskets, only trimmed and for the best wholes you go to Sams. Sams occasionally will have Prime...rare but worth it when they do.
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Problem with buying organic chicken is that (at least here) it's almost twice as much per pound.
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Old 06-12-2013, 02:53 PM   #75
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Problem with buying organic chicken is that (at least here) it's almost twice as much per pound.
Range fed drug free beef is outrageous in price also~
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