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Old 06-12-2013, 02:51 PM  
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Can we all agree on one thing?

Our government is broken and both parties suck~
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Old 06-12-2013, 03:16 PM   #16
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The country would be far better off if corporations were gone. Less stress. Get a check from the government. No worries.
Well, we could transition back to a more locally run economy. Were there are not large international corporations sucking your money out of your local economy.

Locally run grocery stores. Or better yet, markets (like Farmers markets.) Locally owned restaurants and locally owned clothing stores. But that completely depends upon the consumer again.

Corporations by no means equals jobs. Or the only way to employ Americans.

More Americans should be working to better themselves and their local area, not some corporation who could care less about how well your local economy does.
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Old 06-12-2013, 03:17 PM   #17
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Obviously things could be better, but I think for the most part our system functions pretty well, and most of the problems we do have come from the voters and not our system of government. Voters are polarized, ill informed, and have preferences that are inconsistent with each other.

In conclusion, no, we cannot all agree on one thing.
I can agree on that.
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Old 06-12-2013, 03:18 PM   #18
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The problem with our government is it is nothing more than a different version of a Fiefdom.

If our elected officials were made to participate in the plans and programs they deem good enough for the masses instead of having an exception to them, then things would most certainly be different.
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Old 06-12-2013, 03:22 PM   #19
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The problem with our government is it is nothing more than a different version of a Fiefdom.

If our elected officials were made to participate in the plans and programs they deem good enough for the masses instead of having an exception to them, then things would most certainly be different.
Corporate Feudalism
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Old 06-12-2013, 03:27 PM   #20
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The problem with our government is it is nothing more than a different version of a Fiefdom.

If our elected officials were made to participate in the plans and programs they deem good enough for the masses instead of having an exception to them, then things would most certainly be different.
Please tell me which one of the back door dealing lobbyist bought and paid for parties has the right vision?
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Old 06-12-2013, 03:27 PM   #21
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Corporate? To a large extent but it's not just the corporations.
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Old 06-12-2013, 03:30 PM   #22
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Please tell me which one of the back door dealing lobbyist bought and paid for parties has the right vision?
I don't think either party has the right vision. No one has a monopoly on right and wrong. The problem is there is no recourse. Sure you can vote this person and that person out but that just changes the players, not the game.


Having said that, the current Establishment along with our elected King and Queen have made a complete and total mockery of things and I don't think any of them could care any less.
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Old 06-12-2013, 03:32 PM   #23
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I don't think either party has the right vision. No one has a monopoly on right and wrong. The problem is there is no recourse. Sure you can vote this person and that person out but that just changes the players, not the game.


Having said that, the current Establishment along with our elected King and Queen have made a complete and total mockery of things and I don't think any of them could care any less.
The table was rigged long before Barry showed up~
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Old 06-12-2013, 03:34 PM   #24
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The table was rigged long before Barry showed up~
Of course. I just think Barry and Mi-Mi have taken it to another level. Point is, it is indicative of the bigger problem.
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Old 06-12-2013, 03:35 PM   #25
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Well, we could transition back to a more locally run economy. Were there are not large international corporations sucking your money out of your local economy.

Locally run grocery stores. Or better yet, markets (like Farmers markets.) Locally owned restaurants and locally owned clothing stores. But that completely depends upon the consumer again.

Corporations by no means equals jobs. Or the only way to employ Americans.

More Americans should be working to better themselves and their local area, not some corporation who could care less about how well your local economy does.
People should be allowed to better themselves without being forced into working. The basic needs should be provided allowing people to self actualize and become an expression of their own creativity.

We dont need markets or groceries if we all contributed in our own way. Those who become part of the growing arts will produce what they like and share it freely. Those who sew will make coverings for all. And those who are healers will heal those who ail.

We only become a consumer when the corporate interests market things to us.
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Old 06-12-2013, 03:36 PM   #26
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The table was rigged long before Barry showed up~
you almost typed the jig is up. Admit it...you did..
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Our government is broken and both parties suck~
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I can agree on that.
So blame the people—the ones who have consistently polled that they're not happy with the direction of the country since 2004?
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I might add, the same people who get controlled communication via gateway keepers for the govt, afterwhich they get polled based on that information?

The same people that have to put up with what the elites in both parties parade out as a choice, while they do everything possible to block and spear any newcomer that challenges the current authorities?
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Of course. I just think Barry and Mi-Mi have taken it to another level. Point is, it is indicative of the bigger problem.
That is debatable.

http://www.alternet.org/story/60950/...eers_have_gone

But, I don't want to distract from the main point of the thread, so I have nothing more to say on this.
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