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Old 06-15-2013, 02:07 PM  
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Tomatoes and 2,4-D

OK, all you gardeners, I have an issue.

My neighbor's tomato plants have leaves that are curled and the plants don't appear to be growing as they should.

I sprayed for weeds (2,4-D) about three weeks ago when there was no wind and he asked me about that. I said, yes, I did, but I don't see how your plants were affected by my spraying when mine were not. My tomatoes are much closer to the area I was spraying and they're healthy as can be.

Now, come to find out, he planted his tomatoes in the mud about six weeks ago and we had significant rain and cold weather since then. This scenario will also produce curled leaves and slower growth.

As a reference, my plants were within about 20' of where I was spraying, his are more than 100' away. (I was very careful about what I was doing.)

Another issue is he has some plants that are really healthy within the plants that are suffering. It all makes no sense to me.

Any ideas?
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Old 06-15-2013, 02:15 PM   #2
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Old 06-15-2013, 02:17 PM   #3
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No but, I didn't know anybody was still using 2,4D. That stuff is powerful sh*t!
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Old 06-15-2013, 02:18 PM   #4
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No but, I didn't know anybody was still using 2,4D. That stuff is powerful sh*t!
It's every broadleaf weed killer and it's not that powerful. The weeds are still laughing.
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Old 06-15-2013, 02:53 PM   #5
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****ing vinegar worked better for me than 2-4D. That shit is near worthless.
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Old 06-15-2013, 03:09 PM   #7
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No but, I didn't know anybody was still using 2,4D. That stuff is powerful sh*t!
No it really isn't.

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OK, all you gardeners, I have an issue.

My neighbor's tomato plants have leaves that are curled and the plants don't appear to be growing as they should.

I sprayed for weeds (2,4-D) about three weeks ago when there was no wind and he asked me about that. I said, yes, I did, but I don't see how your plants were affected by my spraying when mine were not. My tomatoes are much closer to the area I was spraying and they're healthy as can be.

Now, come to find out, he planted his tomatoes in the mud about six weeks ago and we had significant rain and cold weather since then. This scenario will also produce curled leaves and slower growth.

As a reference, my plants were within about 20' of where I was spraying, his are more than 100' away. (I was very careful about what I was doing.)

Another issue is he has some plants that are really healthy within the plants that are suffering. It all makes no sense to me.

Any ideas?
It depends on the formulation of 2-4D. Ester formulations can volatilize (become a vapor) and move a long way. I believe Ester volatilizes above 85 degrees. Amine formulations won't volatilize as bad, but when they do it is at much higher temperature. The higher the rate you applied (it is easy to overapply with a hand sprayer) the more risk exposure to physical drift (unlikely to move 100') and vitalization.

Timing. 2-4D will only stick around a couple days, and probably won't volatilize after the first day, particularly if you put it down in the morning. If you exposed his plants to 2-4D the damage would be immediate. I mean within 20 minutes. 3 weeks later, any effects are not 2-4D.

What does it do to tomatoes? Lays them the **** over. They will literally ****ing melt. They will not be standing. The leaves will technically pucker, but the overriding thing is that it melts the **** out of tomatoes. And much exposure at all will kill the **** out of tomatoes.

Sounds like he's FOS and doesn't want to buy new tomatoes. If you're worried about it, there is probably an extension agent around that could tell you what the damage is. If he's real pissed, ask him to pay for a tissue sample. They can determine if there is any 2-4D in the leaf.
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Old 06-15-2013, 03:10 PM   #8
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****ing vinegar worked better for me than 2-4D. That shit is near worthless.
what are you trying to kill?
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No it really isn't.



It depends on the formulation of 2-4D. Ester formulations can volatilize (become a vapor) and move a long way. I believe Ester volatilizes above 85 degrees. Amine formulations won't volatilize as bad, but when they do it is at much higher temperature. The higher the rate you applied (it is easy to overapply with a hand sprayer) the more risk exposure to physical drift (unlikely to move 100') and vitalization.

Timing. 2-4D will only stick around a couple days, and probably won't volatilize after the first day, particularly if you put it down in the morning. If you exposed his plants to 2-4D the damage would be immediate. I mean within 20 minutes. 3 weeks later, any effects are not 2-4D.

What does it do to tomatoes? Lays them the **** over. They will literally ****ing melt. They will not be standing. The leaves will technically pucker, but the overriding thing is that it melts the **** out of tomatoes. And much exposure at all will kill the **** out of tomatoes.

Sounds like he's FOS and doesn't want to buy new tomatoes. If you're worried about it, there is probably an extension agent around that could tell you what the damage is. If he's real pissed, ask him to pay for a tissue sample. They can determine if there is any 2-4D in the leaf.
Thanks Buehler. He also has beans planted that should have been affected and they're pristine (and closer to my yard).

I think he made the mistake of planting in mud and then we had really wet weather and cool temperatures. His plants are OK... they're still blooming and have small tomatoes on them. I don't want to be a dick, but I think he thinks it's my fault. From everything I've read I did nothing wrong.
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Old 06-15-2013, 03:24 PM   #10
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Tomato Disease Identification Key by Affected Plant Part: Leaf Symptoms

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what are you trying to kill?
Broadleaf weeds. Probably didn't help that I bought the shit from Menards, so it was probably like 90% sweatshop worker piss.
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The 2,4-D pictures make me feel better. His plants look nothing like that. They are healthy, but not vigorous. The more I research the more I think that planting in mud and lots of rain and cool temperatures are the culprit.
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Broadleaf weeds. Probably didn't help that I bought the shit from Menards, so it was probably like 90% sweatshop worker piss.
Vinegar and salt kills everything... 2 4 D is suppose to be rainproof in 1 hour after application.. 24d kILLS Broadleaf weeds but not grass (or most grasses)

I buy the shit in 2.5 gallon jugs here..
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Broadleaf weeds. Probably didn't help that I bought the shit from Menards, so it was probably like 90% sweatshop worker piss.
Yeah. 2-4D is most effective when mixed with other chemistries. Weed-B-Gone is mixed with Banvel, but it is pretty weak. Particularly if you buy the pre-mixed product. Ortho doesn't want ****ers calling in saying the same shit Stewie's neighbor is.
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1 oz per gallon for clover and regular stuff..

2 oz per gallon for stubborn weeds
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