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Old 06-16-2013, 09:37 PM  
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While you are looking at phone records and emails....

It's over 800 pages, no one has read it, it's expensive, and it's full of dirty tricks to increase democrat voters. Deja vu all over again. The video is 20 minutes but well worth it.

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Old 06-17-2013, 08:06 AM   #16
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We are broke, getting broker, and these numbnuts want to hand the keys to the safe to 11tybillion mexicans.
Okay, so your point, at least as far as I can make out is that we can't afford to do immigration reform, correct?
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What if you take your head out of your ass and consider the impact on the country and no some stupid party line crap for a change?
I believe and the facts are that the Repblicans are the ones with their head up their ass on this issue. They are clinging to a strict party line.
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Old 06-17-2013, 08:26 AM   #17
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Okay, so your point, at least as far as I can make out is that we can't afford to do immigration reform, correct?
I believe and the facts are that the Repblicans are the ones with their head up their ass on this issue. They are clinging to a strict party line.
They both have their heads up their asses and both are out-of-touch with the majority of folks.
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Old 06-17-2013, 08:29 AM   #18
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Okay, so your point, at least as far as I can make out is that we can't afford to do immigration reform, correct?
I believe and the facts are that the Repblicans are the ones with their head up their ass on this issue. They are clinging to a strict party line.


Actually thats just spin. There are many R's who want immigration reform. Its just they dont agree with the bullshit approach being forced down....
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Old 06-17-2013, 08:30 AM   #19
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They both have their heads up their asses and both are out-of-touch with the majority of folks.
Thats BS. We have elections. Majority wins.

Where are these "majority" of folks at? Do they not vote?
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Old 06-17-2013, 09:26 AM   #20
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Thats BS. We have elections. Majority wins.
Well first off, the majority does not always win. We have an electoral college. We also have an executive branch and a Congress and they are not occupied by one party. Currently, the Rs hold the House. This also does not mean voters approve or agree with every stand by any politician. Polls show a certain level of discontent with both parties to some degree too. Polls have shown this issue to a bipartisan complaint. Does it mean everyone on each side? Certainly not.

You must have forgotten the massive amount of calls that were sent to congress the last time immigration was addressed is all I can say. Fact is there are Ds that love this kind of immigration reform for more dependent voters and Rs who love it because corporations love the cheap labor.

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Where are these "majority" of folks at? Do they not vote?
If you think voting is the way to show where people stand on a single issue, then I can't help you.
You have a one track mind if you do. Apply some critical thinking, logic along with keeping up with things on an issue basis.
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Old 06-17-2013, 10:21 AM   #21
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[quote=BucEyedPea;9756709]Well first off, the majority does not always win. We have an electoral college. We also have an executive branch and a Congress and they are not occupied by one party. Currently, the Rs hold the House. This also does not mean voters approve or agree with every stand by any politician. Polls show a certain level of discontent with both parties to some degree too. Polls have shown this issue to a bipartisan complaint. Does it mean everyone on each side? Certainly not.

You must have forgotten the massive amount of calls that were sent to congress the last time immigration was addressed is all I can say. Fact is there are Ds that love this kind of immigration reform for more dependent voters and Rs who love it because corporations love the cheap labor.quote]

what qualifies you to make this statement? When was the last time you worked? Low skills is low wages....higher skills higher wages....I bet you support Wal-Mart employees to make a living wage even though those part time jobs are low skill (although they are no skill) required
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Old 06-17-2013, 10:25 AM   #22
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If you are Republican how could you not be for immigration reform, if only for partisan politics reasons.

Surely your not all stupid. You see the demographic numbers. Whites are a minority in 2045. In 2025 there will be more non-white children under 5 than white kids. If you don't expand the party you will just be a regional party and soon after the 21st century Whig's.

How about doing it for the selfish reasons? We can't deport 11 million people. Thats just not realistic. And even it was, what if they resist? Talk about a cluster****. The American people will not stand for it after they start seeing the scenes on TV.

How about doing it for the economy? We need the majority of those 11 million people to do the jobs we won't do. If they were smart they would strike until immigration reform is passed. When there are sparse vegetables and fruit in the grocery store and construction is at a standstill we would see how valuable they are to the economy. We get 11 million new tax payers that will pay fines and taxes for years before they get any benefits.


Illegal immigration from Mexico is basically zero right now. Now is the time to do reform. If the republicans don't get on board........ well the Whigs were big back in the day too.

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Well first off, the majority does not always win. We have an electoral college. We also have an executive branch and a Congress and they are not occupied by one party. Currently, the Rs hold the House. This also does not mean voters approve or agree with every stand by any politician. Polls show a certain level of discontent with both parties to some degree too. Polls have shown this issue to a bipartisan complaint. Does it mean everyone on each side? Certainly not.

You must have forgotten the massive amount of calls that were sent to congress the last time immigration was addressed is all I can say. Fact is there are Ds that love this kind of immigration reform for more dependent voters and Rs who love it because corporations love the cheap labor.quote]

what qualifies you to make this statement? When was the last time you worked? Low skills is low wages....higher skills higher wages....I bet you support Wal-Mart employees to make a living wage even though those part time jobs are low skill (although they are no skill) required
if you think that. You must'nt have read many of my posts. I certainly do not support a living wage for lo-skilled jobs or even equal-pay for equal work for women (or men).

The last time I worked was a couple of weeks ago. I'm self-employed and I don't have to work all the time and certainly not 9-5.
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Actually thats just spin. There are many R's who want immigration reform. Its just they dont agree with the bullshit approach being forced down....
At least a few want to avoid the demographic death spiral that will render the Republican party obsolete.


Yesterday, Lindsay Graham claimed that, if the GOP doesn’t “pass immigration reform, if we don’t get it off the table in a reasonable, practical way, it doesn’t matter who you run in 2016″:
We’re in a demographic death spiral as a party, and the only way we can get back in good graces with the Hispanic community, in my view, is pass comprehensive immigration reform. If you don’t do that, it really doesn’t matter who will run, in my view.
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if you think that. You must've read many of my posts. I certainly do not support a living wage for lo-skilled jobs or even equal-pay for equal work for women (or men).

The last time I worked was a couple of weeks ago. I'm self-employed and I don't have to work all the time and certainly not 9-5.
You don't think people doing the same work should be paid equally?
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At least a few want to avoid the demographic death spiral that will render the Republican party obsolete.


Yesterday, Lindsay Graham claimed that, if the GOP doesn’t “pass immigration reform, if we don’t get it off the table in a reasonable, practical way, it doesn’t matter who you run in 2016″:
We’re in a demographic death spiral as a party, and the only way we can get back in good graces with the Hispanic community, in my view, is pass comprehensive immigration reform. If you don’t do that, it really doesn’t matter who will run, in my view.
Even if it's true that passing immigration reform is important for future Republican political success, that isn't true in 2014 where Republicans already have a lot going for them and where most of the Republicans running have already won in years when the hispanic vote went largely for democrats.

So even from a practical political point of view, Republicans are better off waiting until after the 2014 elections. Then, after they pick up seats in Congress, they'll have more leverage to craft an immigration reform bill that is more sensitive to conservative principles on the subject. With plenty of time to spare for the 2016 election cycle.
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Even if it's true that passing immigration reform is important for future Republican political success, that isn't true in 2014 where Republicans already have a lot going for them and where most of the Republicans running have already won in years when the hispanic vote went largely for democrats.

So even from a practical political point of view, Republicans are better off waiting until after the 2014 elections. Then, after they pick up seats in Congress, they'll have more leverage to craft an immigration reform bill that is more sensitive to conservative principles on the subject. With plenty of time to spare for the 2016 election cycle.
Thats what some Republicans are thinking. But more sane minds are not trying to squeeze every last concession out of a bill everyone knows is eventually going to pass.

It kind of defeats the practical political point. If you are not seen as a wiling pardner, seen as dragging your feet only so that you don't continue down the demographic death spiral, its a moot point.

The Republican party will not get a second look by non-whites(don't forget the Asians) if they drag their feet. At least that's my reading of the political tea leaves.
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Thats what some Republicans are thinking. But more sane minds are not trying to squeeze every last concession out of a bill everyone knows is eventually going to pass.

It kind of defeats the practical political point. If you are not seen as a wiling pardner, seen as dragging your feet only so that you don't continue down the demographic death spiral, its a moot point.

The Republican party will not get a second look by non-whites(don't forget the Asians) if they drag their feet. At least that's my reading of the political tea leaves.
I find nothing you say in this post at all convincing. Don't you think it's a bit arbitrary and silly to say that now is the point at which Republicans have a chance to get a first look by non-whites and that they won't get a second? Why wasn't the first look 2 or 4 or 8 or 16 years ago and if they don't get a second, why isn't it already too late? Just ridiculous.
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Why isn't Eric Holder in jail? He committed crimes agains US Citizens made even more egregious by the fact that he's the TOP COP IN THE COUNTRY, yet not only is he not in jail, he's still employed.

Why is that? Oh yeah, the Vichy Regime.
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