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Old 06-17-2013, 09:27 AM  
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46 Shot - 7 Dead - Thank Goodness for Strict Gun Laws

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Bloody weekend violence leaves 7 dead, 46 shot

As she headed out the door Sunday morning, Adrianne Wilberton put on a brave face. It was time to tell one of her sons the news, and she didn’t want him hearing it from anyone else.

But her composure unraveled as she walked toward the car, a barrage of neighbors hugging her on the way out of her apartment. By the time she reached the front lawn, the mother of six was in tears.

“Our son is dead! Oh Jesus!” the 57-year-old screamed, referring to her other son, Cortez, who was killed earlier that morning on Chicago’s West Side. “Oh my God! Oh my God! We were just talking.”

At least 33 people were shot — six of them fatally — Saturday afternoon through Father's Day Sunday, stretching from 94th Street and Loomis Avenue on the South Side up to about North Avenue and North Pulaski Road on the Northwest Side, according to authorities. The youngest person who was killed during one of the bloodiest weekends in Chicago this year was 16.

Shootings from Friday afternoon into Saturday left another 13 people shot, 1 fatally. The combined tally resulted in 46 people shot, and seven killed this weekend. Last year at about the same time, there were 53 people shot, nine fatally in one weekend.

The rash of violent crime came as Chicago has seen a large dip in overall homicide and shooting numbers so far this year.

When asked whether this weekend's shooting numbers cast doubt on the department's crime-fighting strategies, Chicago police spokesman Adam Collins insisted they are working, noting the city has so far in 2013 posted its lowest homicide totals in years.

Collins also reiterated a position that police Superintendent Garry McCarthy has expressed publicly throughout the year when discussing the department's crime-fighting efforts. “There's going to be good days, and there's going to be bad days, which is why we've been calling this progress, not victory,” said Collins, who pointed out drops in overall crime.

Across the city, reminders of the bloody weekend literally stained some of Chicago’s streets. In the city’s Little Village neighborhood, 15 lit memorial candles stood in blood where Ricardo Herrera, 21, was fatally wounded and two others shot on the 2500 block of South Ridgeway Avenue.

About five miles away, a long trail of blood remained splattered in a Northwest Side alley — and on the bumper of a nearby car — where 16-year-old Kevin Rivera tried to run from a gunman on a bicycle, authorities told the Tribune.

Rivera’s family was planning to move in two weeks from their sometimes violent section of the Hermosa neighborhood, and a social worker was enrolling the teenager in the city's summer jobs program.

But late Saturday night, someone shot Rivera in the 4100 block of West North Avenue, police said. He attempted to run but collapsed a few feet away. The boy, who lived a few blocks away from the scene, was pronounced dead about 1:35 a.m. Sunday at Advocate Illinois Masonic Medical Center, authorities said.
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Old 06-17-2013, 02:23 PM   #31
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There is this not quite so new thing called google. You should try it sometime. Whule you're at it, you should also look at how much larger Illinois's population is than utah's.

Have you no such thing as rhetorical questions in that shitbag third world hellhole your momma crawled out of?
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Old 06-17-2013, 02:26 PM   #32
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Have you no such thing as rhetorical questions in that shitbag third world hellhole your momma crawled out of?
My mom is from Lubbock, Texas. While it is a shithole, it isn't 3rd world.
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Old 06-17-2013, 02:29 PM   #33
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It doesn't implicate him, just that he was a part of a leadership that is failing in Chicago. But let's be honest here, this has been a problem in Chicago for over 100 years. They're raising a vast amount of poor-uneducated people there and this behavior shouldn't be a shock.

"Chicago was settled by people from New York, who said. "I like the crime and poverty, but it's just isn't cold enough."" -Richard Jennie.

As long as well allow the poor to mate the way they are we will continue to feel the pinch of a lack of education and resources due to high population growth. I don't know what the right answer is that wouldn't be tyranny, but there you go
What do you mean by saying he was part of a leadership? What exactly did Obama do with regards to gun laws, that failed in Chicago?

I agree that Chicago is ****ed up and has been for a long time. But I'm still not seeing how Obama had any implication in Chicago gun laws, that lead to current failing.

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Old 06-17-2013, 02:36 PM   #34
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Old 06-17-2013, 02:36 PM   #35
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OK. Obama agreed with gun control laws while he was in Chicago. But I still don't see how that implicates him for the current troubles in Chicago, as Otter implied. I asked what role he had, not what Obama's opinion was on gun control laws.
Do you mean aside from the fact that he was a member of the Illinois Senate from January 1997 until 2008? If that's not enough, I'm not sure we'll come to an agreement on what it takes to provide proof.
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Old 06-17-2013, 02:40 PM   #36
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Oh, damn I forgot. Bush's (Republican's) fault?
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Old 06-17-2013, 02:40 PM   #37
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Opposed bill okaying illegal gun use in home invasions
Hale DeMar, a 52-year-old Wilmette resident, was arrested and charged with misdemeanor violations for shooting, in the shoulder and leg, a burglar who broke into his home not once, but twice. Cook County prosecutors dropped all charges against DeMar.

In March 2004, the Illinois Senate passed Senate Bill 2165, a law introduced in response to DeMar's case, with provisions designed to assert a right of citizens to protect themselves against home invasions, such that self-defense requirements would be viewed to take precedence over local ordinances against handgun possession. The measure passed the Illinois Senate by a vote of 38-20. Barack Obama was one of the 20 state senators voting against the measure.

Governor Rod Blagojevich vetoed the bill. On Nov. 9, 2004, the Illinois Senate voted 40-18 to override Blagojevich's veto. Again, Obama acted against the bill.

On Nov. 17, the Illinois House voted overwhelmingly, 85-30, to override the governor's veto and Senate Bill 2165 became law.
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Obama sought moderate gun control measures, such as a 2000 bill he cosponsored to limit handgun purchases to one per month (it did not pass). He voted against letting people violate local weapons bans in cases of self-defense, but also voted in2004 to let retired police officers carry concealed handguns.
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Old 06-17-2013, 02:52 PM   #39
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What do you mean by saying he was part of a leadership? What exactly did Obama do with regards to gun laws, that failed in Chicago?

I agree that Chicago is ****ed up and has been for a long time. But I'm still not seeing how Obama had any implication in Chicago gun laws, that lead to current failing.

Otter stated this in the OP:

How is this Obama Gun Regulation?

Generally I am saying he is a leader there including holding political office in the state. He's a part of the leadership. He's well liked there by most of the populace, but as I stated this isn't something that can be thrown on him.
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My mom is from Lubbock, Texas. While it is a shithole, it isn't 3rd world.
That is very very debatable.
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How is this Obama Gun Regulation?
Come on dude. No, Obama is not directly responsible for the state of affairs in Chicago... but he has a CLEAR track record of supporting the gun regulation there. It's like saying MY team is the KC Chiefs... well I don't own the team but the term still applies. These are HIS gun regulations even if he didn't put them in place.

Now you can argue that since becoming POTUS he has changed his position but that's a whole different topic...
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Do you mean aside from the fact that he was a member of the Illinois Senate from January 1997 until 2008? If that's not enough, I'm not sure we'll come to an agreement on what it takes to provide proof.
Yeah, that's quite a leap from there to "Obama Gun Regulation" and solely blaming him for Chicago's violence failures, don't you think? Obama is a failure in many ways, but blaming him for Chicago's failures isn't really applicable. Donger provided info on his voting, but nothing he voted YES on regarding gun control was actually implemented into law, and that which he voted against was passed despite his NO vote. Yet you're claiming this as "Obama's".

You said "Welcome to Obama Gun Regulation." But how is it Obama's?
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That is very very debatable.
Debatable. But they do have running water. That offsets Tech so they are barely not 3rd world.
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Come on dude. No, Obama is not directly responsible for the state of affairs in Chicago... but he has a CLEAR track record of supporting the gun regulation there. It's like saying MY team is the KC Chiefs... well I don't own the team but the term still applies. These are HIS gun regulations even if he didn't put them in place.

Now you can argue that since becoming POTUS he has changed his position but that's a whole different topic...
How is it "His"? He voted NO on Bill 2165, and it passed. He voted YES on the gun limit purchase, but it didn't pass. His support didn't influence the laws. The laws were passed despite what he voted. You can say he wanted to influence the gun laws, according to what he voted, but you can't say they're his since he voted opposite of what actually went into law.
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Debatable. But they do have running water. That offsets Tech so they are barely not 3rd world.
Fair enough.
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