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Old 06-17-2013, 09:27 AM  
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46 Shot - 7 Dead - Thank Goodness for Strict Gun Laws

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2...t-north-avenue

Welcome to Obama Gun Regulation. For your own good.

Bloody weekend violence leaves 7 dead, 46 shot

As she headed out the door Sunday morning, Adrianne Wilberton put on a brave face. It was time to tell one of her sons the news, and she didn’t want him hearing it from anyone else.

But her composure unraveled as she walked toward the car, a barrage of neighbors hugging her on the way out of her apartment. By the time she reached the front lawn, the mother of six was in tears.

“Our son is dead! Oh Jesus!” the 57-year-old screamed, referring to her other son, Cortez, who was killed earlier that morning on Chicago’s West Side. “Oh my God! Oh my God! We were just talking.”

At least 33 people were shot — six of them fatally — Saturday afternoon through Father's Day Sunday, stretching from 94th Street and Loomis Avenue on the South Side up to about North Avenue and North Pulaski Road on the Northwest Side, according to authorities. The youngest person who was killed during one of the bloodiest weekends in Chicago this year was 16.

Shootings from Friday afternoon into Saturday left another 13 people shot, 1 fatally. The combined tally resulted in 46 people shot, and seven killed this weekend. Last year at about the same time, there were 53 people shot, nine fatally in one weekend.

The rash of violent crime came as Chicago has seen a large dip in overall homicide and shooting numbers so far this year.

When asked whether this weekend's shooting numbers cast doubt on the department's crime-fighting strategies, Chicago police spokesman Adam Collins insisted they are working, noting the city has so far in 2013 posted its lowest homicide totals in years.

Collins also reiterated a position that police Superintendent Garry McCarthy has expressed publicly throughout the year when discussing the department's crime-fighting efforts. “There's going to be good days, and there's going to be bad days, which is why we've been calling this progress, not victory,” said Collins, who pointed out drops in overall crime.

Across the city, reminders of the bloody weekend literally stained some of Chicago’s streets. In the city’s Little Village neighborhood, 15 lit memorial candles stood in blood where Ricardo Herrera, 21, was fatally wounded and two others shot on the 2500 block of South Ridgeway Avenue.

About five miles away, a long trail of blood remained splattered in a Northwest Side alley — and on the bumper of a nearby car — where 16-year-old Kevin Rivera tried to run from a gunman on a bicycle, authorities told the Tribune.

Rivera’s family was planning to move in two weeks from their sometimes violent section of the Hermosa neighborhood, and a social worker was enrolling the teenager in the city's summer jobs program.

But late Saturday night, someone shot Rivera in the 4100 block of West North Avenue, police said. He attempted to run but collapsed a few feet away. The boy, who lived a few blocks away from the scene, was pronounced dead about 1:35 a.m. Sunday at Advocate Illinois Masonic Medical Center, authorities said.
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Old 06-17-2013, 03:11 PM   #46
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Yeah, that's quite a leap from there to "Obama Gun Regulation" and solely blaming him for Chicago's violence failures, don't you think? Obama is a failure in many ways, but blaming him for Chicago's failures isn't really applicable. Donger provided info on his voting, but nothing he voted YES on regarding gun control was actually implemented into law, and that which he voted against was passed despite his NO vote. Yet you're claiming this as "Obama's".

You said "Welcome to Obama Gun Regulation." But how is it Obama's?
In a way, one could potentially argue that if Obama had had his way, things might actually be even worse in Chicago.

I'm pretty sure that he still supports a nationwide concealed carry ban, too.
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Old 06-17-2013, 03:14 PM   #47
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How is it "His"? He voted NO on Bill 2165, and it passed. He voted YES on the gun limit purchase, but it didn't pass. His support didn't influence the laws. The laws were passed despite what he voted. You can say he wanted to influence the gun laws, according to what he voted, but you can't say they're his since he voted opposite of what actually went into law.
HUH? We are talking CHICAGO laws not Illinois. As I said, he is not at all DIRECTLY responsible for the current laws. But the gun laws of Chicago are "his kind of laws." Would you be more comfortable if Otter had written "Obama-style gun regulation" ?
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Old 06-17-2013, 03:15 PM   #48
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In a way, one could potentially argue that if Obama had had his way, things might actually be even worse in Chicago.

I'm pretty sure that he still supports a nationwide concealed carry ban, too.
But he didn't have his way. That's kind of a requirement in blaming him for the way things currently are.
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Old 06-17-2013, 03:19 PM   #49
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But he didn't have his way. That's kind of a requirement in blaming him for the way things currently are.
I think you are confusing Illinois state laws and local Chicago laws. Huge difference.
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Old 06-17-2013, 03:19 PM   #50
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Either way it isn't the gun laws. It's the cyclic-poverty, lack of education, lack of population control and limited resources. The data correlates this at each turn just about everywhere in the world. So I am struggling to understand what people don't seem to get about why these things happen.
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But he didn't have his way. That's kind of a requirement in blaming him for the way things currently are.
Meh. Obama clearly supported the gun control laws in Illinois and actually wanted to make them even stricter.
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I think you are confusing Illinois state laws and local Chicago laws. Huge difference.
Yeah maybe. Obama is also on record of being fine with local laws to constrain the exercise of the 2nd Amendment.
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Yeah, that's quite a leap from there to "Obama Gun Regulation" and solely blaming him for Chicago's violence failures, don't you think? Obama is a failure in many ways, but blaming him for Chicago's failures isn't really applicable. Donger provided info on his voting, but nothing he voted YES on regarding gun control was actually implemented into law, and that which he voted against was passed despite his NO vote. Yet you're claiming this as "Obama's".

You said "Welcome to Obama Gun Regulation." But how is it Obama's?
Diffusion of responsibility.

No, it isn't "his" mess but he's as much to blame as anyone for what Chicago is today. If it makes you feel better he didn't build the bomb he just lit the fuse.

While we're at it it's American Citizens responsibility for falling for his bullshit.
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I think you are confusing Illinois state laws and local Chicago laws. Huge difference.
OK, then please enlighten me. What are the huge differences that would make Obama solely responsible?
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OK, then please enlighten me. What are the huge differences that would make Obama solely responsible?
Are you only reading every other word I post? You clearly have missed large chunks of what I have said here.

Please reread.

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HUH? We are talking CHICAGO laws not Illinois. As I said, he is not at all DIRECTLY responsible for the current laws. But the gun laws of Chicago are "his kind of laws." Would you be more comfortable if Otter had written "Obama-style gun regulation" ?
You do realize that Chicago has far far stricter gun laws then the state of Illinois right? You also know that before becoming POTUS Obama supported laws of this nature?
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Are you only reading every other word I post? You clearly have missed large chunks of what I have said here.

Please reread.



You do realize that Chicago has far far stricter gun laws then the state of Illinois right? You also know that before becoming POTUS Obama supported laws of this nature?
I don't believe I missed anything. I'm mainly objecting to this:

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These are HIS gun regulations even if he didn't put them in place.
Which makes no sense to me.
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Which makes no sense to me.
Because he agrees with and supports them. In fact, he wanted to make them even more strict.
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Either way it isn't the gun laws. It's the cyclic-poverty, lack of education, lack of population control and limited resources. The data correlates this at each turn just about everywhere in the world. So I am struggling to understand what people don't seem to get about why these things happen.
Gun laws are certainly part of it. If you're a criminal, who are you going to rob - people who are armed and trained, or people who are disarmed, frightened sheep? Chicago and other places that deny their citizens the ability to defend themselves are basically serving them up as a midnight snack. Why? Because these people might start to think differently if there ever comes a time when they're not living in fear 24/7, and the shitbags that run this city don't want that to happen, ever. It's another way to control their voting base.

Conceal carry will eventually become law up here, but the expense and ridiculous restrictions involved ($150 application fee, 16 hours of (certainly not free) training before a permit is issued) will make it largely unobtainable/useless for those who need to defend themselves the most; mainly, poor people in crime-plagued neighborhoods in Chicago.
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I don't believe I missed anything. I'm mainly objecting to this:

Which makes no sense to me.
Ok, did you not read my post about the Chiefs? They are MY KC Chiefs even though I have zero ownership and don't play for the team or in any way work for the organization. It's an inelegant use of language but commonly understood meaning. Again, to be more accurate would be to state Obama-style Gun Regulation.
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Because he agrees with and supports them. In fact, he wanted to make them even more strict.
Agreement and support does not equate to responsibility in the context of what we're talking about. And the fact that everyone has backtracked on their wording in this thread tends to support that.
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