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Old 06-18-2013, 10:50 AM  
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Senate set to vote on border fence amendment in immigration bill

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...t-immigration/

A week into the immigration debate, the Senate has finally set up showdowns Tuesday afternoon on some of the biggest questions, including whether to build the full 700-mile fence Congress approved seven years ago, but never followed through on.

Sen. John Thune, South Dakota Republican, has offered an amendment that would require 350 miles of two-tier border fencing be built before illegal immigrants can gain legal status, and for another 350 miles to be built before they can get green cards.

Seven years ago, during a previous immigration debate, Congress — including then-Sen. Barack Obama — voted overwhelmingly to build that much two-tier fencing along the 1,950-mile U.S.-Mexico border. But in 2007 Congress quietly backed off and gave the Bush administration the authority to cut the number of miles, and to scrap the two-tier fence.

Instead, the border now has 651 miles of barriers, and only 352 miles of that is an actual fence to keep pedestrians out. The other 299 miles are vehicle blockades that still allow wildlife, and people, to cross unhindered.

Homeland security officials say they are comfortable with the amount and mix of fencing, but many lawmakers say more is needed — and Mr. Thune’s amendment will give them a chance to have a say.

Still, it is expected to fail as the Gang of Eight senators who wrote the immigration bill defends the core of its deal, which is to offer quick legal status to illegal immigrants but withhold full citizenship rights until after more money is spent on security. They argue that waiting until 350 miles of full fence is built would delay legalization too long.

Senators will also vote Tuesday on three other amendments: One would expand immigration benefits for adoptees, another would add Indian tribe representatives to a border oversight panel, and a third would stop any legalization until the government completes a biometric entry-exit system that Congress first demanded in 1996, but which is still undone.

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Old 06-18-2013, 07:08 PM   #46
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Didn't the CBO come out today and say the immigration bill will decrease the deficit by $197 Billion?


****....can you swallow any damn thing for gods sake

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Old 06-18-2013, 07:09 PM   #47
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****....can you swallow any damn thing for gods sake

What cred you had is shot.

Done.
WTF are you talking about? The right wing doesn't want reform? Thats just a small point in the big scheme of immigration reform.

you would like to marginalize and minimize anyone who wants immigration reform. Fits your diatribe.

And the CBO report has nothing to do with me or my opinion. It's just news asshole.
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Old 06-18-2013, 07:12 PM   #48
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Didn't the CBO come out today and say the immigration bill will decrease the deficit by $197 Billion?
What failed was the fence trigger amendment.

And yes, that was the CBO's estimate. I don't think anyone should be surprised that more immigration will lower the deficit as it increases the size of the economy and labor force.
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Old 06-18-2013, 07:18 PM   #49
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What failed was the fence trigger amendment.

And yes, that was the CBO's estimate. I don't think anyone should be surprised that more immigration will lower the deficit as it increases the size of the economy and labor force.
I have no problem with a fence, if it will work and not cost billions that will be wasted. I have no problem with fixing border security first. Those seem like sensible moves to me.
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Old 06-18-2013, 07:22 PM   #50
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Old 06-18-2013, 07:26 PM   #51
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Didn't the CBO come out today and say the immigration bill will decrease the deficit by $197 Billion?
They come up with that figure using that new ACA maff?
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Old 06-18-2013, 08:45 PM   #52
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WTF are you talking about? The right wing doesn't want reform? Thats just a small point in the big scheme of immigration reform.

you would like to marginalize and minimize anyone who wants immigration reform. Fits your diatribe.

And the CBO report has nothing to do with me or my opinion. It's just news asshole.
**** you. What a ****ing moron you are.
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**** you. What a ****ing moron you are.
The shit you post on a regular basis..............
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I have no problem with a fence, if it will work and not cost billions that will be wasted. I have no problem with fixing border security first. Those seem like sensible moves to me.
Your liberal buddies have a huge problem with fixing border security ever, let alone first.
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Didn't the CBO come out today and say the immigration bill will decrease the deficit by $197 Billion?
Over a 10 year period? Nothing to get excited about. What happens when they start demanding their entitlements?
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Old 06-18-2013, 11:28 PM   #57
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Your liberal buddies have a huge problem with fixing border security ever, let alone first.
Well they are wrong.
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BTW I think the Fence Idea is such a fallacy. I took this picture at Otay Mesa while out 4 wheeling. This is where the fence ends due to environmental concerns. I thought I had another picture showing the large gap and the lush valley below but I can't locate it. Actually if I were to spin around 180 deg. you wouldn't be able to see where the fence restarts.
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