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Old 06-20-2013, 03:36 PM  
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Senate Approved Farm Bill Defeated in the House

Kinda surprised by this. I'm not really optimistic about what (if any) final iteration that we will end up with.

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The 2013 farm bill has been defeated in the U.S. House of Representatives

In a surprising development, the U.S. House of Representives voted down the 2013 farm bill this afternoon by a 195-234 vote, with opposition coming from both sides of the aisle. Next steps for the $940 billion legislation, which authorizes farm insurance, conservation, and food stamp programs for five years, were not immediately clear. The Senate had previously passed a version of the farm bill.

On the Republican Party side, 171 representatives supported the bill and 62 opposed it, data shared by the House clerk's office shows. On the Democratic Party side, 24 representatives supported the legislation while 172 opposed it.

The bill, which was supported by House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio), who rarely votes, came under fire from conservatives who wanted deeper cuts in federal insurance programs. They were joined in opposition by liberals who objected to $2 billion in cuts in the food stamp program. The Obama administration had threatened to veto the legislation.

The House bill would have trimmed $40 billion from farm and nutrition programs over the next 10 years. A little more than half would have some from the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP), better known as the food stamps program.

The House's failure to pass a bill drew a stinging rebuke from Senator Debbie Stabenow, D-MI, who chairs the Senate Committee on Agriculture. She noted that the Senate has twice passed a Farm Bill. "The speaker needs to work in a bipartisan way to present a bill that Democrats and Republicans can support," she said, adding that a good place to start would be to bring the Senate-passed bill to a vote.

Both the Senate-passed version and the House bill would cut $5 billion annually in direct payments to farmers. The bills created new support programs for peanut, cotton, and rice farmers.

Meanwhile, CEO Michael Needham of the conservative advocacy group Heritage Action for America applauded the vote. Conservative lobbies had argued that the bill didn't go far enough to remove "market-distorting" farm subsidies.

"Today is a victory for the taxpayer and the free market," Needham says. "Now is the time for the House to recognize what so many others have: The unholy alliance that has long dominated America’s agriculture and nutrition policy must end."

Reaction on social media were mixed. On AgDay's Facebook page, John Dunning Jr. shared his concerns.

"We have NO real people representing us in Washington," Dunning says. "We all need to band together and vote these clowns out of office. That's a slap in the face to us. They got us into this debt mess and now they take it out on the American farmer. I can stand in line at the local grocery store and watch people on food stamps get cash back then go buy their cigarettes and beer. That part of the farm bill needs fixed. Around 80% of the farm bill is to help people on welfare/food stamps, and they abuse it. It's time all our politicians get a grip on reality."
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Old 06-20-2013, 04:15 PM   #2
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Yay! Way to go...House doing what you're supposed to. Too many Republicans love farm subsidy bills.

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"Today is a victory for the taxpayer and the free market," Needham says. "Now is the time for the House to recognize what so many others have: The unholy alliance that has long dominated America’s agriculture and nutrition policy must end."
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Old 06-20-2013, 04:36 PM   #3
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Old 06-20-2013, 04:41 PM   #4
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Hope you like paying more for milk.
We pay for anyway when it's from our tax money and we still don't get it free from stores.
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Old 06-20-2013, 04:45 PM   #5
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nope...the old farm bill goes back into effect.
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Old 06-20-2013, 04:59 PM   #6
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Yay! Way to go...House doing what you're supposed to. Too many Republicans live farm subsidy bills.
LOL WUT

As of 2011, 17% of the "Farm" Bill was farm/conservation programs. The remainder was taken up mostly by Food Stamps, WIC, and school lunch programs. That's the "nutrition" portion of it.
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Old 06-20-2013, 05:15 PM   #7
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Oh, I made a typo—again. That was to say "love" farm subsidies. And that is true.

I edited it.
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Old 06-20-2013, 05:20 PM   #8
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Senate Passes Half-Trillion Dollar Farm Bill

WASHINGTON (AP) — The Senate on Monday passed a five-year, half-trillion-dollar farm bill that expands government subsidies for crop insurance, rice and peanuts while making small cuts to food stamps....


Debate in the House is expected to be contentious and much more partisan than in the Senate, with disagreements over domestic food aid that makes up almost 80 percent of the bill's cost.

"The help for rice and peanuts was not in last year's bill but was added this year after the agriculture panel gained a new top Republican, Mississippi Sen. Thad Cochran." LOL!
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...ryId=190399234


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"This bill looks in the rearview mirror for outdated policies that cause the farmer to plant for the government and not the market," Roberts said after the Senate vote.
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Old 06-20-2013, 11:36 PM   #9
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Senate Passes Half-Trillion Dollar Farm Bill

WASHINGTON (AP) — The Senate on Monday passed a five-year, half-trillion-dollar farm bill that expands government subsidies for crop insurance, rice and peanuts while making small cuts to food stamps....


Debate in the House is expected to be contentious and much more partisan than in the Senate, with disagreements over domestic food aid that makes up almost 80 percent of the bill's cost.

"The help for rice and peanuts was not in last year's bill but was added this year after the agriculture panel gained a new top Republican, Mississippi Sen. Thad Cochran." LOL!
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...ryId=190399234


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I guess I'm missing your point. Your article even says food aide = 80%. I'm not understanding your issues with farm subsidies
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Old 06-20-2013, 11:37 PM   #10
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I guess I'm missing your point. Your article even says food aide = 80%. I'm not understanding your issues with farm subsidies
The simple fact that the federal government shouldn't be subsidizing any industry or product.
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Old 06-20-2013, 11:38 PM   #11
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I guess I'm missing your point. Your article even says food aide = 80%. I'm not understanding your issues with farm subsidies
IT PAYS FARMARS WHO ARE LAZZZZZY. AGRICULUTRAL WELFARE STATE
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Old 06-20-2013, 11:47 PM   #12
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The simple fact that the federal government shouldn't be subsidizing any industry or product.
OK. but they should also quit ****ing with the markets.

I'd be all for eliminating the subsidy as long as they everybody's. And they call the program what it is. Welfare.

But I don't see farm programs going away. The USDA wants to know what's out there. My opinion is that the USDA is offering just enough money to entice the farmers to give up their acreages. DCP limits are 32,000 for 2013. That's 4000 bushels of corn if an Iowa corn farmer grows 200 bushel corn the FSA covers 20 acres. This isn't a huge part of farm operations anymore.

Moreover, they should also quit ****ing around in my markets. I mean FFS we still have an embargo on Cuba.
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Old 06-20-2013, 11:51 PM   #13
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I really wish they'd change the name of this bill.
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I really wish they'd change the name of this bill.
I wish they'd get the food stamp crap out of helping the farmers.
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