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Old 06-22-2013, 01:18 PM  
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Obama administration suing to force companies to hire criminals

Apparently being a convicted criminal is now a protected class:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013...al-background/

Seems silly to me....if a company does not wish to hire employees with a criminal record, they should not be forced too. Is Obama going to cover the business's losses when a criminal decides to help himself to the cash register?
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Old 06-22-2013, 01:19 PM   #2
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O.M.G. And some of these Obama-bots spend more time attacking people of faith—because it's offensive.
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Old 06-22-2013, 01:23 PM   #3
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A business should be able to hire who ever they want.


Race, Sex, etc.


They just need to be aware that there are consequences. You could miss out on a great employee, word of mouth will backfire on you, etc.
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Old 06-22-2013, 01:23 PM   #4
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O.M.G. And some of these Obama-bots spend more time attacking people of faith—because it's offensive.
Read the article, dumbass.

The EEOC alleges Dollar General violated the civil rights of two applicants. In the one case, the person allegedly was denied employment even though a felony conviction was incorrectly attributed to her. And the commission alleges BMW’s policy doesn't consider the nature of the crimes or how old they are.
EEOC alleges that when BMW required contract employees at the South Carolina plant to reapply for their jobs in 2008 a disproportionate percentage of those terminated were black, including some who had already worked for company contractors.


If they can establish that happened, then it makes sense to investigate them further. If not, then the case has no merit.
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Old 06-22-2013, 01:24 PM   #5
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Read the article, dumbass.
The first post and title was enough, asshole.

EDIT: I went back and read it. I see no need to change my opinion or my post.
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Old 06-22-2013, 01:24 PM   #6
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Only protects minorities with criminal records. Whew, thought it included everyone
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Old 06-22-2013, 01:37 PM   #7
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The first post and title was enough, asshole.

EDIT: I went back and read it. I see no need to change my opinion or my post.
Then you obviously lack reading comprehension or an understanding of individual rights and expectations. If someone is being denied employment because of a crime incorrectly attributed to them, that's bullshit. If people have established that they are dependable employees and then get fired after a background check months or years later returns a conviction on a crime that they've paid their debt to society for, then that is also bullshit.

I get it, you have a reactionary inflammation of acute stupidity any time the word "Obama" pops up, but as an adult you should be expected to operate with a modicum of critical thinking.

Sadly, that's too much to ask from your deficient faculties.
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Old 06-22-2013, 01:49 PM   #8
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Then you obviously lack reading comprehension or an understanding of individual rights and expectations. If someone is being denied employment because of a crime incorrectly attributed to them, that's bullshit. If people have established that they are dependable employees and then get fired after a background check months or years later returns a conviction on a crime that they've paid their debt to society for, then that is also bullshit.

I get it, you have a reactionary inflammation of acute stupidity any time the word "Obama" pops up, but as an adult you should be expected to operate with a modicum of critical thinking.

Sadly, that's too much to ask from your deficient faculties.

I can agree with your first point about a crime being incorrectly attributed to an applicant. I have to disagree with the second part...job applications today specifically ask if you have ever been convicted of a crime....so if a crime comes up later on a background check, that is reasonable grounds to let someone go (since the applicant is likely to have lied on his application about said conviction, otherwise, the applicant would not have been hired in the first place, since the employer is placing an emphasis on criminal records.) Paying a debt to society does not entitle a criminal to a job...an employer has the right to not hire criminals, just like an employer has the right to not hire someone with bad credit (credit checks are becoming more common in hiring practices as well).

An employer should not have to consider the nature of a crime either. If a company wants to have a hard line policy of not hiring anyone with a criminal record, that is a reasonable position. It is not the same as a company not hiring a minority, or discriminating on the basis of religion, etc.

Given the competitive nature of the job market today, companies can be very picky about whom they wish to hire. Using whether an applicant has been convicted of a crime is a reasonable criteria when determining whether to hire and individual or not.
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Old 06-22-2013, 01:59 PM   #9
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I can agree with your first point about a crime being incorrectly attributed to an applicant. I have to disagree with the second part...job applications today specifically ask if you have ever been convicted of a crime....so if a crime comes up later on a background check, that is reasonable grounds to let someone go (since the applicant is likely to have lied on his application about said conviction, otherwise, the applicant would not have been hired in the first place, since the employer is placing an emphasis on criminal records.) Paying a debt to society does not entitle a criminal to a job...an employer has the right to not hire criminals, just like an employer has the right to not hire someone with bad credit (credit checks are becoming more common in hiring practices as well).

An employer should not have to consider the nature of a crime either. If a company wants to have a hard line policy of not hiring anyone with a criminal record, that is a reasonable position. It is not the same as a company not hiring a minority, or discriminating on the basis of religion, etc.

Given the competitive nature of the job market today, companies can be very picky about whom they wish to hire. Using whether an applicant has been convicted of a crime is a reasonable criteria when determining whether to hire and individual or not.
I can understand terminating someone for lying on a job application, but what happens if an employee is convicted of a crime while working, still works dependably, and then is fired for something akin to what BMW allegedly did despite the fact that it in no way impacted their work performance?

Sometimes I wonder if people understand what they are actually advocating for. If someone makes a singular mistake, and pays for it in either fines, restitution, community service, or jail time, why should they continue to pay for the rest of their working lives?

Supporting the viewpoint you are suggests that people can never atone for mistakes.
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I get it, you have a reactionary inflammation of acute stupidity any time the word "Obama" pops up, but as an adult you should be expected to operate with a modicum of critical thinking.

Sadly, that's too much to ask from your deficient faculties.

It's a good thing you're here, to provide the pro-Obama response to every single issue. Predictable yes, but needed. Thank you.
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Old 06-22-2013, 02:17 PM   #12
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It's a good thing you're here, to provide the pro-Obama response to every single issue. Predictable yes, but needed. Thank you.
This is why it's nigh impossible to have a productive discussion in here. You assume that because I advocate a position that isn't in lock-step with the OP that I'm somehow pro-Obama.

That's a false binary. One can exist outside of two defined poles, despite what GW Bush once said.

Your mistake is thinking I'm pro-Obama. If we applied the Nuremberg Code he would be executed as a war criminal, and he is. Of course that applies to every post-WWII American president, but I digress.
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This is why it's nigh impossible to have a productive discussion in here.
I guess your idea of a productive discussion means calling participants "dumbass" then.
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Then you obviously lack reading comprehension or an understanding of individual rights and expectations.
No, my reading comprehension is fine. It's YOU who doesn't know what an opinion is.

See the post by notorious for my position on the article. I don't agree with that stuff. Period. End of productive discussion.
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