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Old 06-22-2013, 12:18 PM  
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Obama administration suing to force companies to hire criminals

Apparently being a convicted criminal is now a protected class:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013...al-background/

Seems silly to me....if a company does not wish to hire employees with a criminal record, they should not be forced too. Is Obama going to cover the business's losses when a criminal decides to help himself to the cash register?
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Old 06-22-2013, 03:02 PM   #16
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Then you obviously lack reading comprehension or an understanding of individual rights and expectations. If someone is being denied employment because of a crime incorrectly attributed to them, that's bullshit. If people have established that they are dependable employees and then get fired after a background check months or years later returns a conviction on a crime that they've paid their debt to society for, then that is also bullshit.

I get it, you have a reactionary inflammation of acute stupidity any time the word "Obama" pops up, but as an adult you should be expected to operate with a modicum of critical thinking.

Sadly, that's too much to ask from your deficient faculties.
So this is your idea of a productive discussion, relying on extensive use of the logical fallacy known as ad hominem? Oh my, the irony.

Individual rights my arse. How bout the rights of property of individuals.

Furthermore, I have defended on Obama on certain things. I liked his views on war and civil liberties but he abandoned them. I was actually happy for black people that he won but I knew I would not like him on economic policies or his brand of social justice. But he now, sucks and he deserve the attacks he's getting.
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Old 06-22-2013, 03:24 PM   #17
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I think this is a good idea.

If companies don't hire ex-cons, all of Obama's staff will have to go on unemployment or welfare once the law catches up with them one day.
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Old 06-22-2013, 03:28 PM   #18
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I can understand terminating someone for lying on a job application, but what happens if an employee is convicted of a crime while working, still works dependably, and then is fired for something akin to what BMW allegedly did despite the fact that it in no way impacted their work performance?

Sometimes I wonder if people understand what they are actually advocating for. If someone makes a singular mistake, and pays for it in either fines, restitution, community service, or jail time, why should they continue to pay for the rest of their working lives?

Supporting the viewpoint you are suggests that people can never atone for mistakes.
The same thing that happens to a professional athlete when they get into that situation...sometimes they get cut.

I am not saying that an employer SHOULD fire someone with a criminal record, or that someone can never atone for a mistake. What I am saying is that a company should not be forced or threatened with government sanctions because they decided they do not wish to hire or employ those with a criminal record. The employer is taking the risk in that situation, and they have a right to decide whether they wish to engage in the risk or not.
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Old 06-22-2013, 03:55 PM   #19
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So this is your idea of a productive discussion, relying on extensive use of the logical fallacy known as ad hominem? Oh my, the irony.

Individual rights my arse. How bout the rights of property of individuals.

Furthermore, I have defended on Obama on certain things. I liked his views on war and civil liberties but he abandoned them. I was actually happy for black people that he won but I knew I would not like him on economic policies or his brand of social justice. But he now, sucks and he deserve the attacks he's getting.
Notice that I wasn't responding to you. You're incapable of having an intellectual discussion and are only worthy of derision.
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Old 06-22-2013, 04:03 PM   #20
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The same thing that happens to a professional athlete when they get into that situation...sometimes they get cut.

I am not saying that an employer SHOULD fire someone with a criminal record, or that someone can never atone for a mistake. What I am saying is that a company should not be forced or threatened with government sanctions because they decided they do not wish to hire or employ those with a criminal record. The employer is taking the risk in that situation, and they have a right to decide whether they wish to engage in the risk or not.
How exactly are they taking a risk in that situation? In some cases, sure, but by no means is it universal.

You're lumping all acts together. It's pretty obvious that someone convicted of manslaughter shouldn't have the same job waiting for them if they are convicted while working, but I don't think you're considering the consequences of what you claim to support.

If you are a passenger in a car that gets pulled over and the cop is giving the driver a hard time and you ask him a question and he decides to run you in on a trumped up charge, do you feel that your job should be at risk? Because I don't.
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Old 06-22-2013, 04:13 PM   #21
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The same thing that happens to a professional athlete when they get into that situation...sometimes they get cut.

I am not saying that an employer SHOULD fire someone with a criminal record, or that someone can never atone for a mistake. What I am saying is that a company should not be forced or threatened with government sanctions because they decided they do not wish to hire or employ those with a criminal record. The employer is taking the risk in that situation, and they have a right to decide whether they wish to engage in the risk or not.
I totally agree and I'll add: What he also doesn't realize is we are witnessing the unintended consequences of liberal/progressive/statist big-government culture that he was raised in. The business environment from this culture has gone south given the jobs that have gone overseas or lost due to their unfriendly business environment here (regulations, policies, taxes, etc.).

Had we not progressed down this road over the years, the government wouldn't have to force anything, as jobs and the labor market would correct itself as companies would have to a least consider people with criminal pasts and find out if they were worth hiring or not. Like you implied, now that there is less jobs and more applicants to choose from, businesses can choose to be picky about who they hire. They do take the risks.

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Old 06-22-2013, 04:43 PM   #22
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Notice that I wasn't responding to you. You're incapable of having an intellectual discussion and are only worthy of derision.
Wow! That's some pot calling the kettle black there after all.

But notice if you were not responding to me. You quoted me and typed a comment. I think you don't understand what you your self are even doing.
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Old 06-22-2013, 04:50 PM   #23
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I can understand terminating someone for lying on a job application, but what happens if an employee is convicted of a crime while working, still works dependably, and then is fired for something akin to what BMW allegedly did despite the fact that it in no way impacted their work performance?
Bob Dole's employer has a policy that requires him to report any arrest and conviction while employed, or face termination.
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Old 06-22-2013, 05:04 PM   #24
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Bob Dole's employer has a policy that requires him to report any arrest and conviction while employed, or face termination.
And if those are the rules, those are the rules. But say you did report an arrest/conviction but your superior knows you're a good employee and keeps you on. Ten years down the road, you have a new superior and they do a review and fire you because of that arrest/conviction (but really it's to purge your higher salary) even though the company has known about it for ten years.
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Old 06-22-2013, 05:07 PM   #25
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And if those are the rules, those are the rules. But say you did report an arrest/conviction but your superior knows you're a good employee and keeps you on. Ten years down the road, you have a new superior and they do a review and fire you because of that arrest/conviction (but really it's to purge your higher salary) even though the company has known about it for ten years.
A new superior doesn't mean there is a new policy. In this instance, Bob Dole's superior would not be able to create a local policy that is contrary to the System policy. (Actually, they are not even called "policy" at the local level--they are called "rules".)

Bob Dole gets your point, though.
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Old 06-22-2013, 05:12 PM   #26
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Then you obviously lack reading comprehension or an understanding of individual rights and expectations. If someone is being denied employment because of a crime incorrectly attributed to them, that's bullshit. If people have established that they are dependable employees and then get fired after a background check months or years later returns a conviction on a crime that they've paid their debt to society for, then that is also bullshit.

I get it, you have a reactionary inflammation of acute stupidity any time the word "Obama" pops up, but as an adult you should be expected to operate with a modicum of critical thinking.

Sadly, that's too much to ask from your deficient faculties.
You can say that second one is bullshit, and in most cases it would be, but I don't see why it would be something the government should get involved with.
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Old 06-22-2013, 05:17 PM   #27
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I can understand terminating someone for lying on a job application, but what happens if an employee is convicted of a crime while working, still works dependably, and then is fired for something akin to what BMW allegedly did despite the fact that it in no way impacted their work performance?

Sometimes I wonder if people understand what they are actually advocating for. If someone makes a singular mistake, and pays for it in either fines, restitution, community service, or jail time, why should they continue to pay for the rest of their working lives?

Supporting the viewpoint you are suggests that people can never atone for mistakes.
A singular mistake can cost you years in prison, I don't see why it's an injustice if it costs you a job.

If you make that mistake, then you will have an extra burden to bear when you search for work, but the people criticizing this approach from the government aren't saying that ex-cons should never be allowed to work. They're just saying that each business ought to be able to decide what types of ex-cons they're willing to employ, if any at all. I agree with them.
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This is why it's nigh impossible to have a productive discussion in here. You assume that because I advocate a position that isn't in lock-step with the OP that I'm somehow pro-Obama.

That's a false binary. One can exist outside of two defined poles, despite what GW Bush once said.

Your mistake is thinking I'm pro-Obama. If we applied the Nuremberg Code he would be executed as a war criminal, and he is. Of course that applies to every post-WWII American president, but I digress.
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Old 06-22-2013, 06:08 PM   #30
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The guideline, though not legally binding, direct employers to consider the crime, its relation to an applicant's potential job and how much time has passed since the conviction. Employers should review each case individually and allow applicants to show why they should be hired despite a conviction, the guidelines state.
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