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Old 06-22-2013, 12:18 PM  
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Obama administration suing to force companies to hire criminals

Apparently being a convicted criminal is now a protected class:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013...al-background/

Seems silly to me....if a company does not wish to hire employees with a criminal record, they should not be forced too. Is Obama going to cover the business's losses when a criminal decides to help himself to the cash register?
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Old 06-22-2013, 09:29 PM   #46
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Old 06-22-2013, 09:31 PM   #47
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It's a great idea and should be implemented by force if necessary.
Oh, well as long as you're gong to use force it might make for good tv.
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Old 06-22-2013, 09:36 PM   #48
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Oh, well as long as you're gong to use force it might make for good tv.
If it makes Beck cry, Limbaugh go fully deaf, and Hannity have a massive stroke; this was a very successful outing.
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Old 06-22-2013, 09:36 PM   #49
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Old 06-23-2013, 08:21 AM   #50
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Is anyone surprised that democrats believe that private sector jobs belong to government? Guys like Hamas are going to spend their lives working jobs. They'll never create one in their parasitic lives. Of course they'll support the democrat view. Ownership by proxy is as close as they can ever come to contributing something more impactful than an hour's work for an hour's pay.
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Old 06-23-2013, 08:41 AM   #51
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For a certain time, yes. If an individual no longer lives the life that precipitated the crimes, then the criminal record should be expunged after 5 years.
Something like that is needed.

If you served your time and were released then you payed your debt back to society and it really shouldn't matter anymore.

If a person can't be trusted to contribute to society after prison through a job, then why even release them?

Otherwise we just create a second class citizenship of ex cons who can't find employment to better their lives. Wonder what happens to someone out of prison who doesn't find employment? Welfare? Steal? Deal drugs?

Stopping people from gaining employment after prison is one of the worst ideas a society can have.

Of course, republicans and their corporate masters love to have a exploitable second class tier of workers to underpay in crappy jobs.

Also, the War on Drugs turns productive members of society into felons. Someone busted for pot I(anything over half an ounce is a felon) at 22 shouldn't have that affect their employment 10 years later.
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Old 06-23-2013, 08:46 AM   #52
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Something like that is needed.

If you served your time and were released then you payed your debt back to society and it really shouldn't matter anymore.

If a person can't be trusted to contribute to society after prison through a job, then why even release them?

Otherwise we just create a second class citizenship of ex cons who can't find employment to better their lives. Wonder what happens to someone out of prison who doesn't find employment? Welfare? Steal? Deal drugs?

Stopping people from gaining employment after prison is one of the worst ideas a society can have.

Of course, republicans and their corporate masters love to have a exploitable second class tier of workers to underpay in crappy jobs.

Also, the War on Drugs turns productive members of society into felons. Someone busted for pot I(anything over half an ounce is a felon) at 22 shouldn't have that affect their employment 10 years later.
I own the business. I own the job. You work the job if I want you to. You don't share that understanding with me, you hit the bricks.
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Old 06-23-2013, 08:46 AM   #53
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Is anyone surprised that democrats believe that private sector jobs belong to government? Guys like Hamas are going to spend their lives working jobs. They'll never create one in their parasitic lives. Of course they'll support the democrat view. Ownership by proxy is as close as they can ever come to contributing something more impactful than an hour's work for an hour's pay.
Nice straw man.

For further conversation, when you say "parasitic lives", are said "parasites
such because they don't own businesses?

I would love to see your hierarchy of what constitutes a worthy profession and not.

Additional points for irony: your use of code words (democrat as an adjective) and concepts (allusion to job creators) while attempting to set yourself above the fray.
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Old 06-23-2013, 08:48 AM   #54
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I own the business. I own the job. You work the job if I want you to. You don't share that understanding with me, you hit the bricks.
Um, okay, sure, fire someone who doesn't work the job.

My comment was about not even getting the chance to prove you can work the job.
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Old 06-23-2013, 09:02 AM   #55
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Soooo, you guys want to take away an additional deterrent to a person about to commit a crime?


"I can take this chance, and if I get caught I will do my time, and eventually my record will be clean again."

**** that idea. You know the consequences for your actions so live with your mistakes.
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Old 06-23-2013, 09:06 AM   #56
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Soooo, you guys want to take away an additional deterrent to a person about to commit a crime?


"I can take this chance, and if I get caught I will do my time, and eventually my record will be clean again."

**** that idea. You know the consequences for your actions so live with your mistakes.
You're assuming that jail time and a criminal record is actually an effective deterrent.

That faulty assumption aside, I'd be far more concerned about having minor mistakes capriciously used to deny people a chance to earn a living.
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You're assuming that jail time and a criminal record is actually an effective deterrent.

That faulty assumption aside, I'd be far more concerned about having minor mistakes capriciously used to deny people a chance to earn a living.
Bob Dole has never seen any employer use anything less than a felony conviction. Are there any felonies that you consider to be "minor mistakes"?
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Something like that is needed.

If you served your time and were released then you payed your debt back to society and it really shouldn't matter anymore.

If a person can't be trusted to contribute to society after prison through a job, then why even release them?

Otherwise we just create a second class citizenship of ex cons who can't find employment to better their lives. Wonder what happens to someone out of prison who doesn't find employment? Welfare? Steal? Deal drugs?

Stopping people from gaining employment after prison is one of the worst ideas a society can have.

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Also, the War on Drugs turns productive members of society into felons. Someone busted for pot I(anything over half an ounce is a felon) at 22 shouldn't have that affect their employment 10 years later.
Serving your time pays for your crime, but it doesn't cleanse the reputation you've built for yourself. It's up to you to reform your reputation with your actions.
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You're assuming that jail time and a criminal record is actually an effective deterrent.

That faulty assumption aside, I'd be far more concerned about having minor mistakes capriciously used to deny people a chance to earn a living.
As an employer, you have the right to ignore any mistakes a person might make. Forcing that thinking on all employers though is just plain wrong.
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Bob Dole has never seen any employer use anything less than a felony conviction. Are there any felonies that you consider to be "minor mistakes"?
I know of people who have lost their jobs because of DUIs, for one, and that's not a felony.

I'd say having an ounce of weed would fall under your description.
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