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Old 06-22-2013, 06:03 PM  
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The Iranians and Al-Quaeda fighting proxy war. Why would we want to stop that?

I'm confused on two points.

  1. If you kill 90K+ human beings with bullets, we will let it go. But, if you kill <200 with chemical weapons...... we are going to care now.
  2. Why in the **** in a million years would we arm groups that are publicly supporting Al-Quaeda just because they are Anti-Assad/Iranian?
Best guess I can come up with from reading the tea leaves is...............

  1. Because we publicly created a line in the sand, they crossed it. Lesson learned........... don't draw lines in the sand. Don't try to get me to buy into the moral authority angle. 90K died before we acted.
  2. The only theory that makes any sense is that our "friends" asked/pressured us to do this. The Saudi's, Jordainians, the Royals of Quatar, Kuwait etc. are worried about Iranian influence expanding in the ME.


I'm going to be with BE on this. We need to stay the **** out of Syria.
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Old 06-22-2013, 08:54 PM   #16
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we are supposedly arming the moderates, not just to defeat assad, but to defeat the islamists after assad is forced out...

for that reason, and that reason only, i fully support arming the "moderate" rebels with whatever it takes to win both wars...
Which is an arguable position to take early on in the game. At this point Obama is taking the best political position he can...pretend to give aid even if the rebels lose. He can claim he tried.

Obama is reacting to Clinton's comments. This sort of shit happens when you don't have a leader with real convictions.
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Old 06-22-2013, 09:11 PM   #17
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Which is an arguable position to take early on in the game. At this point Obama is taking the best political position he can...pretend to give aid even if the rebels lose. He can claim he tried.

Obama is reacting to Clinton's comments. This sort of shit happens when you don't have a leader with real convictions.
exactly....

arguable before we watched the 'moderate' muslim brotherhood (a wing of hamas) take over in Egypt , etc.....

arguable maybe in 2011

I'm totally with the people of syria....I fully realize assad is a dick head....

But we cant go arming these people who are fascists and murderers and criminals just because we share a common enemy....this has failed us too many times in the past....

I can't see why any sane, cogent person would want to do this....aside from the "genius" Go Bowe of course and perhaps Cosmo


We cannot win, we will take the blame for every suicide bomb and every tragedy from that day forth....bow the **** out.
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Old 06-22-2013, 09:43 PM   #18
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Which is an arguable position to take early on in the game. At this point Obama is taking the best political position he can...pretend to give aid even if the rebels lose. He can claim he tried.

Obama is reacting to Clinton's comments. This sort of shit happens when you don't have a leader with real convictions.
What do you think should happen?
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Old 06-22-2013, 11:36 PM   #19
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Obama is a stunningly bad president. This surprises me because Bush was also stunningly bad, and I didn't think anyone could possibly compete with him on that level. Somehow, Obama has managed to make Bush look somewhat competent. That's quite frightening.
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Old 06-23-2013, 12:32 AM   #20
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we are supposedly arming the moderates, not just to defeat assad, but to defeat the islamists after assad is forced out...
Isnt that just a bit naive to assume that we can control arms shipments and aid once handed over?

Stay out of Cambodia, even Lon Nol was a safer bet than the hodgepodge of the Syrian resistence, once we flood them with arms, all bets are off and who knows which faction has what?... zero control.

If the Arabs want justice for their "brothers"... let THEM go bleed for it.
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Old 06-23-2013, 12:43 AM   #21
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Arming the weaker of the two parties helped cause Iran Contra, the first Persian Gulf War, and the rise of Al Qaeda.

It should be noted, however, that AQ's rise was also due to what the US didn't do after the Soviets left Afghanistan and who they funneled money through while arming the Mujahideen (Pakistan's whackadoodle ISI, which funded an entire party mix of nuts).
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Old 06-23-2013, 03:33 AM   #22
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We should just step back and let them kill each other and when a winner emerges then we step in and destroy them.
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Old 06-23-2013, 07:28 AM   #23
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We should just step back and let them kill each other and when a winner emerges then we step in and destroy them.
Not applicable in this situation. Russia is involved. Syria is a long time ally. We can't just go on in and do what we want without negative consequences happening to us.

Russia may not be the threat to us they were in the 80's but they still have thousands of nukes pointed at us. We don't want to put ourselfs in a situation where a misunderstanding occurs, Putin gets all macho and it devolves out of our control.
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What do you think should happen?
I agree with you, stay the **** out. There aren't any other options that are a clear winner.
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Old 06-23-2013, 03:42 PM   #25
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Which is an arguable position to take early on in the game. At this point Obama is taking the best political position he can...pretend to give aid even if the rebels lose. He can claim he tried.

Obama is reacting to Clinton's comments. This sort of shit happens when you don't have a leader with real convictions.
wtf?

bill clinton is a "real" leader!
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Old 07-02-2013, 03:17 PM   #26
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If our goal was to bog the Hezbollah and the Iranian government down in supporting a guerrilla war that bleeds them, I hear this is going well.
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If our goal was to bog the Hezbollah and the Iranian government down in supporting a guerrilla war that bleeds them, I hear this is going well.
Awesome. All we have to do is give Syrians more means with which they can slaughter each other.

Great plan.
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Old 07-02-2013, 06:48 PM   #28
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we are supposedly arming the moderates, not just to defeat assad, but to defeat the islamists after assad is forced out...

for that reason, and that reason only, i fully support arming the "moderate" rebels with whatever it takes to win both wars...
This may be the biggest dumb **** post of all time. Jesus Christ man.
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Old 07-02-2013, 07:04 PM   #29
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Awesome. All we have to do is give Syrians more means with which they can slaughter each other.

Great plan.
Not my choice or plan. Just saying that looks like the unspoken plan........ and it seems to be working...........if it was the plan.
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Old 07-02-2013, 08:00 PM   #30
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