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Old 06-25-2013, 01:29 AM  
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John Bolton mulling 2016 bid...

Bolton Plans a Tour of Early-Primary States
By Robert Costa
June 24, 2013 8:07 PM

Watch out, Rand Paul.

As Paul, a Kentucky senator, plans for a 2016 presidential run, he is talking up his views on foreign policy, which, broadly speaking, include less intervention in foreign conflicts and a smaller military budget.

But Paul’s positions and rapid ascent have alarmed many Republican hawks. Behind the scenes, they’re worried that he has a shot at the nomination.

Enter John Bolton. Bolton, a former U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, is being encouraged by several leading conservative power brokers to consider a presidential bid.

Bolton, who briefly considered running for president in 2012, hasn’t made up his mind. But sources tell me that he is moving closer to giving the idea serious consideration — serious enough to travel to Iowa and New Hampshire.

Later this year and throughout 2014, the former Reagan and Bush official will begin an informal national tour. He’ll give speeches, huddle with GOP leaders, and push back against the party’s libertarian shift. He’ll make the case for a muscular foreign policy.

Sources say Bolton is also planning to launch a few related groups that will help elevate his argument and his national profile. Whether the efforts evolve into a presidential campaign in a couple years is unclear, but Bolton is, without a doubt, looking to be a player.

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Old 06-25-2013, 08:24 AM   #16
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But they would leave us alone. If you don't believe that, ask why they're not ever attacking China, Japan, India, Brazil, Canada, on and on.


Only fools like you actually swallowed "They hate us for our freedom!" as a rational explanation for terrorism.
India? Is this some kind of joke?
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Old 06-25-2013, 08:32 AM   #17
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Oops - forgot that India is in perpetual war with Pakistan. Which is more to my point as it is.
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Old 06-25-2013, 08:41 AM   #18
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Oops - forgot that India is in perpetual war with Pakistan. Which is more to my point as it is.
China is also experiencing trouble with radical islamists. As is Canada. But I'm sure you can rationalize those with your preconceived notions, too.

Read the great book, The Looming Tower, to learn about the origins of islamist attitudes toward the West. They really do hate us for our freedoms and the decadence that that freedom permits. If we were to adopt the near total isolationism of pre-1970s China, maybe they'd leave us alone, but merely withdrawing our troops from their lands won't do it as long as we continue to try to do business with their ruling class and let our culture "contaminate" theirs.
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Old 06-25-2013, 08:55 AM   #19
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Heh, i'm amazed people still haven't figured this shit out. The oppositions platform mainly consists of "I'm not Bush" or "I'm not Obama" If that is strong enough we pretend to swing the other way while getting the same mutha ****er we had before.
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Old 06-25-2013, 09:30 AM   #20
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This could be a strategy to divide the party, and help the Democrats win. Especially since Bolton is a NeoCon.
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Old 06-25-2013, 09:52 AM   #21
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America might be tired of a leader who offends and frightens our allies while empowering and emboldening our enemies.
You're kooky on this. Examples?

I have a feeling what I'll see from you is a bunch of hyper-sensitive nitpicking and an impossible standard where a US president is supposed to do what is best for the US while at the same time never doing anything an ally doesn't like.
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Old 06-25-2013, 09:56 AM   #22
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I think Bolton would make a great President, but I don't think he has any chance at winning. He's too square for the hope and change crowd and he's too serious for leave them alone and they'll leave us alone utopian crowd.
We will have a Hispanic female gay Muslim president before we have a president with a mustache.
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Old 06-25-2013, 09:59 AM   #23
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We will have a Hispanic female gay Muslim president before we have a president with a mustache.
If we get the former, we probably get the latter.
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Old 06-25-2013, 10:02 AM   #24
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You're kooky on this. Examples?

I have a feeling what I'll see from you is a bunch of hyper-sensitive nitpicking and an impossible standard where a US president is supposed to do what is best for the US while at the same time never doing anything an ally doesn't like.
Hosni Mubarak comes to mind.
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Old 06-25-2013, 10:05 AM   #25
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yep, last gasp for a party that is in shambles anyway. It amazes me how much crack ho Bush's poor leadership obliterated the GOP. There's no conservative foundation in the GOP anymore, all that is left is, well, left.
That maybe the truest statement I've heard in awhile. I'm a fiscal conservative but this loony social thing scares the hell out of me and a ton of other erstwhile fiscal conservatives.
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Old 06-25-2013, 10:12 AM   #26
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The John Bolton and Rand Paul wings of the party should just meet each other half-way, and just start like 5 wars.
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America might be tired of a leader who offends and frightens our allies while empowering and emboldening our enemies.
Bolton, by contrast, will be an equal opportunity dick.
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That maybe the truest statement I've heard in awhile. I'm a fiscal conservative but this loony social thing scares the hell out of me and a ton of other erstwhile fiscal conservatives.
Why does it scare you? What change have we experienced or do you worry we might experience that scares you so much? Limited, voluntary participation of public school teachers in prayer on school grounds? Prohibition of late term abortion? A delay in the inevitable establishment of same sex marriage? How scary can attainable social conservative goals really be?

Meanwhile, whatever fiscal conservative positions you support are being eviscerated by the socialist left.
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Old 06-25-2013, 10:17 AM   #29
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Hosni Mubarak comes to mind.
And what? Obama didn't "speak out" in favor of him strongly enough? As if pounding his fist would have made the least bit of difference. Unless you're saying he should have sent the US military in to keep the Egyptian people from getting rid of their corrupt dictator (the real kind, not the pretend "Obama is a corrupt dictator" kind).

I realize he was OUR corrupt dictator and it would be better to have Mubarak in there. But, reasonably, WTF was Obama going to do to have a different outcome?
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Old 06-25-2013, 11:12 AM   #30
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That maybe the truest statement I've heard in awhile. I'm a fiscal conservative but this loony social thing scares the hell out of me and a ton of other erstwhile fiscal conservatives.
No you're not. You can't possibly vote Obama and call yourself fiscally conservative. Nope, not allowed.
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