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Suicide Letter from Iraq War Veteran Says He Was Made to Commit War Crimes

June 24, 2013
Suicide Letter from Iraq War Veteran Says He Was Made to Commit War Crimes
“The simple truth is this: During my first deployment, I was made to participate in things, the enormity of which is hard to describe. War crimes, crimes against humanity.” Those are the words of Daniel Somers, according to a letter posted at Gawker.

Somers served in Joint Special Operations Command in a unit in Mosul from 2006-2007. He ran the Northern Iraq Intelligence Center and was a senior analyst for Levant, which oversaw operations in Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Israel and part of Turkey.

Prior to that, the short biography attached to the letter he wrote indicates he was a part of an intelligence unit called Task Force Lightning. The unit was a Tactical Human-Intelligence Team (THT) in Baghdad, Iraq. He was a “machine gunner in the turret of a Humvee” and “ran more than 400 combat missions.” He also “interviewed countless Iraqis ranging from concerned citizens to community leaders and and government officials, and interrogated dozens of insurgents and terrorist suspects.”

On June 10, 2013, he committed suicide because he could not continue to live with what he did while deployed. He also—from reading the letter—had his own health issues that he could not get the Veterans Affairs Department to help him treat.
The letter shows he was anguished by his role in war crimes: “Though I did not participate willingly, and made what I thought was my best effort to stop these events, there are some things that a person simply can not come back from.”
Yet, he adds, “I take some pride in that, actually, as to move on in life after being part of such a thing would be the mark of a sociopath in my mind. These things go far beyond what most are even aware of.”

He comments on having to be a part of a coverup of these war crimes.
“To force me to do these things and then participate in the ensuing coverup is more than any government has the right to demand,” he declares. “Then, the same government has turned around and abandoned me. They offer no help, and actively block the pursuit of gaining outside help via their corrupt agents at the DEA. Any blame rests with them.”

No specific war crimes are recounted in the letter, however, it is clear from reading it that he would not be writing it if he had not witnessed or been a part of some atrocities.
Somers is conscious of the fact that a high number of veterans like him are killing themselves each day and that he is about to become a part of that statistic.

“Is it any wonder then that the latest figures show 22 veterans killing themselves each day?” he asks. “That is more veterans than children killed at Sandy Hook, every single day. Where are the huge policy initiatives? Why isn’t the president standing with those families at the state of the union? Perhaps because we were not killed by a single lunatic, but rather by his own system of dehumanization, neglect, and indifference.”

Obviously, Somers is not another tally mark to put on a chalkboard to indicate how many veterans have died from suicide this year. He is a human being who was given orders to kill and at least some who died never should have been killed.
As a member of THT, he would have likely been involved in identifying high value targets who were killed or captured. If captured, they were detained and likely abused or tortured, especially when they were interrogated. They may have been tortured by US soldiers or Iraqi forces. Either way, it likely would have had an impact on him.
Redeploying and working with JSOC would have opened up possibilities of being a participant in more heinous acts.

For example, in Dirty Wars, journalist Jeremy Scahill recounts a night raid in Gardez, Afghanistan, where soldiers kill five innocent people, including three women, two who were pregnant, and an Afghan police commander named Mohammed Daoud. When they realized they committed a war crime, they tried to cover it up by digging the bullets out of the people they had just killed.

Somers could have easily witnessed something similar while working in the Northern Iraq Intelligence Center.
There is immense relief expressed by Somers that he has finally arrived at the moment where he will kill himself. After explaining how much he has tried to cope, he writes:

I am left with basically nothing. Too trapped in a war to be at peace, too damaged to be at war. Abandoned by those who would take the easy route, and a liability to those who stick it out—and thus deserve better. So you see, not only am I better off dead, but the world is better without me in it.

A person who has not been in war is not in a position to second guess the decision Somers made. They do not know and cannot begin to know what he was going through.
The United States is in a state of perpetual war. Those who suffer can either fight and feel as if they are warriors in a battle of good versus evil or they can struggle and suffer, as they respond to the remorse and guilt they are feeling for their actions.

Since society does not want to help the soldiers who are suffering but reject the role they played, it is additionally traumatic for veterans like Somers. So, they ultimately come to the decision that it is better to die than spend each day trying to survive and get better.


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Old 06-25-2013, 12:17 PM   #46
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It comes from a variety of studies. The most prominent is SLA Marshall's in 1947. Marshall encouraged the army to start integrating different training techniques to increase firing rates. They did and it did.

In Korea firing rates were 55%. By Vietnam 95%.

Grossman's On Killing is the most comprehensive treatment of the subject, as he adds in a number of other factors, including the proximity and respect for authority figures, crew served weapons, and physical and cultural distance.
I guess I'm just trying to ascertain is what our grunts were "intending to do" when they fired their weapons the other 80% of the time.
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Old 06-25-2013, 12:56 PM   #47
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That this former Soldier committed suicide is a continuing tragedy that I have no answers for. But, having been in several units where young men have made the decision to do so I think the focus should be on THAT...not his claims. Which ring false to me.

Task Force Lightning was not part of Joint Special Operations Command. Yes, I know this for a fact and putting his unit or name in close proximity to 'JSOC' garners extra attention. To say he 'worked' with JSOC is bending the truth; hell we all 'worked' with JSOC; just like I 'worked' with the Air Force by flying on a C-130 into Tikrit, or by utilizing close air support to blow stuff up...

'Made' to commit war crimes, yet provides no evidence or cites any instances that could be verified one way or another. Don't throw it halfway out there...you know something or you don't. What does a suicidal dude have to lose? I do not claim there haven't been heinous war crimes committed by overzealous leaders that coerced younger or inexperienced Soldiers to do the same; I've taught classes on ethics and cited recent events from both Afghanistan and Iraq to educate my Soldiers on the laws of land warfare. I know it's happened. But it isn't rampant.

Methinks this kid had issues way before and beyond what happened to him during combat. But many will read this and twist my words into something they are not; being a stooge for the military trying to cover it's ass. Nope.
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Old 06-25-2013, 12:59 PM   #48
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More like reductive reasoning.
Deductive reasoning is reasoning from general statements logically to a certain conclusion.
Inductive is the opposite. Conclusions are reached from specific examples.

You don't know how he arrived at his conclusion completely. My point was that he was making a general statement first.
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Old 06-25-2013, 01:27 PM   #49
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Well, killing yourself always solves things.
Sometimes it's just too much to bear. Every conflict has casualties. Not all of them happen immediately, not all of them happen in a theater of operations. My sincere wish is that the people who need the help get it. Unfortunately that doesn't always happen, and sometimes there isn't really any way to help. Just know that we send people off to do horrific things. Things that will **** with your head. Things that will occasionally break a man.
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I guess I'm just trying to ascertain is what our grunts were "intending to do" when they fired their weapons the other 80% of the time.
Affect the appearance of firing so as to not be considered disloyal, cowards, etc. Grossman terms it posturing, and remarks that it is seen all over the animal kingdom. Birds raising their plumage, dogs' hackles, even junior high punks standing on their tippy toes are all attemps to avoid conflict by intimidating the other party.

FWIW, Marshall's studies also found out that these same non-firers were more than willing to risk their lives in a number of ways. It's not that they were cowards; Grossman postulates that most species have an innate resistance against killing members of the same species, and most human beings fall within these bounds.

That's also why military forces seek out individuals with the tendencies of aggressive sociopaths when trying to find fighter pilots and special forces soldiers.
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That's also why military forces seek out individuals with the tendencies of aggressive sociopaths when trying to find fighter pilots and special forces soldiers.
Who are also given amphetamines to pump them up. They just create more NeoCon platoons.
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. They just create more NeoCon platoons.
What the ****?
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What the ****?
Apparently, neocon platoons are created with amphetamines.
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Affect the appearance of firing so as to not be considered disloyal, cowards, etc. Grossman terms it posturing, and remarks that it is seen all over the animal kingdom. Birds raising their plumage, dogs' hackles, even junior high punks standing on their tippy toes are all attemps to avoid conflict by intimidating the other party.

FWIW, Marshall's studies also found out that these same non-firers were more than willing to risk their lives in a number of ways. It's not that they were cowards; Grossman postulates that most species have an innate resistance against killing members of the same species, and most human beings fall within these bounds.

That's also why military forces seek out individuals with the tendencies of aggressive sociopaths when trying to find fighter pilots and special forces soldiers.
Yeah, okay, I suppose I can maybe buy that. I just think it would be extremely difficult to quantify.

My recruiter did want me to either be an aviator or SEAL, which I found amusing.
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Affect the appearance of firing so as to not be considered disloyal, cowards, etc. Grossman terms it posturing, and remarks that it is seen all over the animal kingdom. Birds raising their plumage, dogs' hackles, even junior high punks standing on their tippy toes are all attemps to avoid conflict by intimidating the other party.

FWIW, Marshall's studies also found out that these same non-firers were more than willing to risk their lives in a number of ways. It's not that they were cowards; Grossman postulates that most species have an innate resistance against killing members of the same species, and most human beings fall within these bounds.

That's also why military forces seek out individuals with the tendencies of aggressive sociopaths when trying to find fighter pilots and special forces soldiers.
Marshall was a good military journalist, but there was little if any science behind his 'studies'. He also stated he was present at certain battles when it is questionable at best if true. As for Grossman...I do not care for his analysis. Cops and Soldiers are not of the same ilk. And the whole 'sheepdog' analogy is G-A-Y. Read a few more books besides Grossman's horseshite.

As for military forces seeking out aggressive sociopaths- this your conclusion?
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At least he wasn't dosed with a bunch of LSD like so many Vietnam vets were....
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At least he wasn't dosed with a bunch of LSD like so many Vietnam vets were....
So many? How many?
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Who are also given amphetamines to pump them up. They just create more NeoCon platoons.
Actually from what i've seen the Neocons have never fought in their lives, they just want to send everyone else to die for them.
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Marshall was a good military journalist, but there was little if any science behind his 'studies'. He also stated he was present at certain battles when it is questionable at best if true. As for Grossman...I do not care for his analysis. Cops and Soldiers are not of the same ilk. And the whole 'sheepdog' analogy is G-A-Y. Read a few more books besides Grossman's horseshite.

As for military forces seeking out aggressive sociopaths- this your conclusion?
While I'll stop just short of calling Grossman's stuff horseshite, I concur completely.

I too would like to see the reference claiming the military seeks out aggressive sociopaths.
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